Maximum age of new hires at American Eagle

[Hobiehawker]

Hey everyone,

I know a guy who is interviewing at Eagle who is 42 years old. This guy is a real tool and some of us are hoping his age may keep him from getting the job. He honestly will make everyone miserable. His experience is a manager of a flight school (no one else wanted the job but his god complex couldn't say no) and pencil whipped ME time to qualify. Unfortunately he is a real charmer and we all see this guy getting through an interview without displaying his real character which includes above all other negative attributes, extremely dishonest, unethical and inconsiderate. I could go on and on about this particular tool but will leave it at that. His sociopathic charm has got him this far but there are many other great pilots out there that deserve this job more than this guy for sure.

Others who know this particular individual are trying to use their resources to get the message out about this guy. And this is mine as well.

Thanks for any responses or recommendations to keep the good ones in and the bad ones out.

Hobie

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Perhaps you should bring your concerns to the C.P. I'd hope a letter of NOT recommending would hold at least as much weight as a letter of recommendation.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Perhaps you should bring your concerns to the C.P. I'd hope a letter of NOT recommending would hold at least as much weight as a letter of recommendation.

I do not work for Eagle but that is an interesting suggestion. Do you suppose if we all wrote letters of NOT recommendation that could make a difference? It sure sounds like it would be worth a try. Does anyone have any information of who we could send these letters to? There are more than a few of us that would love to see others get hired, but, will absolutely be downright disappointed (to say the least) if he gets hired.

Thanks for the response.

Hobie

 

[bri5150]

I do not work for Eagle but that is an interesting suggestion. Do you suppose if we all wrote letters of NOT recommendation that could make a difference? It sure sounds like it would be worth a try. Does anyone have any information of who we could send these letters to? There are more than a few of us that would love to see others get hired, but, will absolutely be downright disappointed (to say the least) if he gets hired.

Thanks for the response.

Hobie

Careful. Not sure how it will reflect on you if you want to be hired.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I do not work for Eagle but that is an interesting suggestion. Do you suppose if we all wrote letters of NOT recommendation that could make a difference? It sure sounds like it would be worth a try. Does anyone have any information of who we could send these letters to? There are more than a few of us that would love to see others get hired, but, will absolutely be downright disappointed (to say the least) if he gets hired.

Thanks for the response.

Hobie

Do you know anyone at eagle? A better idea would be to have a current pilot go in and talk to the chief. Have them keep an extra eye on him while deciding if they want to hire him. I sure hope he's as bad as you say, screwing with someone's career is very serious IMO. I would never do that to anyone unless they are a criminal or something like that. I wouldn't go sending letters honestly, that could potentially hurt your chances of being hired there or anywhere else in the future

 

[Abernathy]

I would just let it go. You gotta pick your battles. Aviation is a small community and he may very well get weeded out anyways.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Do you know anyone at eagle? A better idea would be to have a current pilot go in and talk to the chief. Have them keep an extra eye on him while deciding if they want to hire him. I sure hope he's as bad as you say, screwing with someone's career is very serious IMO. I would never do that to anyone unless they are a criminal or something like that. I wouldn't go sending letters honestly, that could potentially hurt your chances of being hired there or anywhere else in the future

I do not take this lightly at all. I can't ever imagining doing something like this but this could become a problem to many. He has used so many people for his personal gain that there is a number of people on the list. One of his issues is exactly what is serious about this particular person. He HAS screwed with others careers for his own personal gain. He is the type of guy that would SCAB in a New York second if it meant he got something out of it. There are bad people in this world and he is one of them. If you were in my shoes you would completely understand how egregious it would be for this person to get a job in this industry that so many others have worked so hard for. And he would, without a doubt, be that one guy everyone would be saying "how did this guy get hired?"

He is not a convicted criminal. But some of the things this man has done has been as bad or even worse than criminal. Just one personal example, abandoning his family because he was tired of his three year old little girls needs. I kid you not. Cute kid too. And he is open about this fact. He screwed one of his customers, (that was a friend) for over $10,000. Too many details to over on that one.

Again, I could on and on about this guy and god help what ever airline he gets hired on. It won't make any difference to me. In my position, I will never have to fly with him.

Thank you for the response.

Hobie

 

[Hobiehawker]

I would just let it go. You gotta pick your battles. Aviation is a small community and he may very well get weeded out anyways.

That thought has occurred to me as well.

One guy is a former Eagle pilot who is as passionate as I about this. He is trying to pull some strings but he says the system is somewhat closed to him now. He is considering writing former managers he has worked for.

Thanks again,

Hobie

 

[booo]

Hey everyone,

I know a guy who is interviewing at Eagle who is 42 years old. This guy is a real tool and some of us are hoping his age may keep him from getting the job. He honestly will make everyone miserable. His experience is a manager of a flight school (no one else wanted the job but his god complex couldn't say no) and pencil whipped ME time to qualify. Unfortunately he is a real charmer and we all see this guy getting through an interview without displaying his real character which includes above all other negative attributes, extremely dishonest, unethical and inconsiderate. I could go on and on about this particular tool but will leave it at that. His sociopathic charm has got him this far but there are many other great pilots out there that deserve this job more than this guy for sure.

Others who know this particular individual are trying to use their resources to get the message out about this guy. And this is mine as well.

Thanks for any responses or recommendations to keep the good ones in and the bad ones out.

Hobie

And you let him? And did you advance as a result? And did you fess up to it?

YOU are as guilty as HE is!!

So STFU, or FESS up and DIE!!!!

 

[340drvr]

Karma works, sometimes it just takes awhile, and aviation is a pretty small loop. (and that holds true for every side of a story/issue!)

 

[Kalifornia]

And you let him? And did you advance as a result? And did you fess up to it?

YOU are as guilty as HE is!!

So STFU, or FESS up and DIE!!!!

Are you kidding or brain dead on this one? ME would imply Multi-Engine time, as he pencil whipped his own ME time. Not me as in I. You get it.?

 

[Hobiehawker]

Karma works, sometimes it just takes awhile, and aviation is a pretty small loop. (and that holds true for every side of a story/issue!)

It would be nice to see Karma in action for the sake of all the people in this persons path.

Thank you.

 

[Hobiehawker]

And you let him? And did you advance as a result? And did you fess up to it?

YOU are as guilty as HE is!!

So STFU, or FESS up and DIE!!!!

Are you kidding or brain dead on this one? ME would imply Multi-Engine time, as he pencil whipped his own ME time. Not me as in I. You get it.?

Thank you Kalifornia for pointing that out for me. I thought referring to multi-engine time as ME time would be universally understood. I stand to be corrected.

Thanks again.

Hobie

 

[xjgearbtch]

If you feel this man is dangerous you should be reporting it to the FAA. Otherwise you're just a punk trying to sabotage someone else. I think you're the later. I can't believe you'd be stupid enough to post this crap. Then again this is FI, only pilots of the highest standard congegrate here.

 

[GogglesPisano]

1) This isn't 1980. Age discrimination is a thing of the past. Major airline newhire age demographics span the whole gamut. The same is true for regionals as well.

2) Even if this guy is as nasty as you say he is, how does his employment at Eagle affect you? In the airline piloting profession there's really not much a non-managerial colleague can do to your livelihood. You are not, no matter how much you try, a "kharma policeman." That's above your paygrade. Sabotaging someone's career is beyond pathetic -- that you would even consider it reveals a lot about your character. You want to let your feelings be known? Don't say hello to him in the lounge.

Live your life. Move on. Don't be overcome by jealousy or hatred.

 

[Hobiehawker]

If you feel this man is dangerous you should be reporting it to the FAA. Otherwise you're just a punk trying to sabotage someone else. I think you're the later. I can't believe you'd be stupid enough to post this crap. Then again this is FI, only pilots of the highest standard congegrate here.

This type of message boards can sometimes lose the message. I can appreciate the perception this may create. I am not trying to sabotage any career. I am not alone in my opinions on this individual. If you were in my shoes I am certain you would be just as stupid as I posting this crap. This about trying to avoid heartache for others more than some personal difference.

I will not ever have to deal with this person. But you may. And yes, in a crew situation I could see this person affecting safety due to his instability and poor decision making. If you have ever held the position requiring a crew type situation, remember the person you have had the worse experience with. Well this guy is worse than that.

Have a nice day.

Hobie

 

[Hobiehawker]

1) This isn't 1980. Age discrimination is a thing of the past. Major airline newhire age demographics span the whole gamut. The same is true for regionals as well.

2) Even if this guy is as nasty as you say he is, how does his employment at Eagle affect you? In the airline piloting profession there's really not much a non-managerial colleague can do to your livelihood. You are not, no matter how much you try, a "kharma policeman." That's above your paygrade. Sabotaging someone's career is beyond pathetic -- that you would even consider it reveals a lot about your character. You want to let your feelings be known? Don't say hello to him in the lounge.

Live your life. Move on. Don't be overcome by jealousy or hatred.

This man HAS tried to sabotage careers. He would cross your line to take YOUR job away from you. There are just some people that create problems due to their own personal gain. This person is a bad man. If trying to keep a person from negatively affecting another is pathetic behavior, then so be it. I would only wish someone would do the same for me.

You are right about the age issue. I have heard some guys getting regional jobs in their forties. But I am more interested on what has been the max age during this new round of hiring after a long period of not.

This truly is not about hatred or jealousy. I am not alone in how undeserving this would be for this man while others may not get what they rightfully deserve.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Ha ha you're full of it. Go to the FAA or keep your pie hole shut. If you ever want to interview at XJ please let me know. I'll make sure that they hire a gutless gossip queen like you. We need more like you around (sarcasm btw)

Have a nice day (more sarcasm).

 

[Dash Power]

Hobiehawker,

I personally applaud your efforts to keep someone with your description out of this business. At SWA we post a list of all the people about to be interviewed so that if someone knows an applicant with a history of poor character, they can tell the Chief Pilot this person and the story behind the poor recommendation. It is not 100%, but effective. You obviously feel strong enough to engage on this forum and take some pretty personal jabs trying to keep our pilot group strong.

I wish more would do the same. It sure would have made a difference in a few trips I have had in my career.

Feel free to PM me if you are interested in continuing this dialog. Being called pathetic and wishing you would die often times can stop someone from doing something good.

I hope this selfish, unethical person does not work in an industry I hold very deep in my heart. And as you said, some people are just not deserving in what I consider a privilege to be a part of this respectable profession.

I can tell you though, in my experience, that these types who get airline jobs find themselves very alone and unhappy after the initial excitement of being a "big" airline pilot. This is absolutely the wrong career choice for someone who only thinks for themselves.

Dash

 

[Hobiehawker]

Ha ha you're full of it. Go to the FAA or keep your pie hole shut. If you ever want to interview at XJ please let me know. I'll make sure that they hire a gutless gossip queen like you. We need more like you around (sarcasm btw)

Have a nice day (more sarcasm).

I obviously have unintentionally touched a nerve with you. Only you know why but I do apologize. (no sarcasm)

Have a nice day. (no sarcasm)

 

[crashmbern]

There was a guy that was 57 year old new hire in my transition class at eagle.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Hobiehawker,

I personally applaud your efforts to keep someone with your description out of this business. At SWA we post a list of all the people about to be interviewed so that if someone knows an applicant with a history of poor character, they can tell the Chief Pilot this person and the story behind the poor recommendation. It is not 100%, but effective. You obviously feel strong enough to engage on this forum and take some pretty personal jabs trying to keep our pilot group strong.

I wish more would do the same. It sure would have made a difference in a few trips I have had in my career.

Feel free to PM me if you are interested in continuing this dialog. Being called pathetic and wishing you would die often times can stop someone from doing something good.

I hope this selfish, unethical person does not work in an industry I hold very deep in my heart. And as you said, some people are just not deserving in what I consider a privilege to be a part of this respectable profession.

I can tell you though, in my experience, that these types who get airline jobs find themselves very alone and unhappy after the initial excitement of being a "big" airline pilot. This is absolutely the wrong career choice for someone who only thinks for themselves.

Dash

Thanks for the mature response Dash Power. And for getting the message. If we had the same system where I work, there would be a good number of us going in to the Chief Pilot and giving an ear full of reasons why not to hire this person.

I have decided that fate will work its way on its own and let Karma take its course. I know I have not burned any bridges but have seen the outcome of those who have. This guy has burned all the bridges and is an island who will may realize someday that he shouldn't have treated others so poorly for personal gain.

Thanks again.

Hobie

 

[IBNAV8R]

The thread is disturbing on several levels. First, the OP "hopes" there is age discrimination so it may tank his enemy's chances at an airline (and anyone else who needs or wants a flying job). Second, he "hopes" to sabotage the enemy's chances when he is obviously no longer a problem to the OP, and is very unlikely to ever be in the future. Third, nobody ASKED for his opinion.

It is very likely that your attitude and efforts will sabotage YOUR future career far more than the enemy's. Remember, aviation is a small world.

I've been in the position of having negative input on the hiring decision. But, the input was based on first-hand knowledge, it was not out of personal vendetta (though one guy still owed me money), and I KNEW that hiring these people would not have been in MY company's best interest, AND, I was asked.

If he is like you say, he will get his without any help from you.

 

[xjgearbtch]

You are not a human resource manager. You won't warn every place that he applies to. What makes AE more special or vital than other companies? You've spouted off for two pages about how bad this person is. If you don't warn the FAA you are a hypocrite. Yes you twitched a nerve, you just like to act like you're important but in the end you haven't the balls to actually do something.

 

[Hobiehawker]

You are not a human resource manager. You won't warn every place that he applies to. What makes AE more special or vital than other companies? You've spouted off for two pages about how bad this person is. If you don't warn the FAA you are a hypocrite. Yes you twitched a nerve, you just like to act like you're important but in the end you haven't the balls to actually do something.

I don't think that the FAA cares about ones ethics and character. If I felt this guy was doing crazy stuff in an airplane without any regard to others safety then yes, I may do something like call the FAA. Along with many others I am certain. I am certain I would not be the first call.

You are confusing the abilities of being a pilot verses someone causing trouble for your company. Again, I have nothing directly associated with this person just knowledge of what he is. And my concern is for my fellow pilots and their companies. It may be difficult for you to believe, but it is true. And again, I am not the only one holding these strong opinions about this piece of work. I would hope your character would understand why this is an issue if you knew what all of us know. It is a real concern.

I appreciate you engaging on this topic but you seem to care more on personal attacks than on the issue itself. Your character is certainly in question also. But I will choose to understand that these types of forums allow people to say what they want and would not normally say to your face. Which is really too bad.

Have a nice day and weekend. (no sarcasm)

Hobie

 

[Hobiehawker]

The thread is disturbing on several levels. First, the OP "hopes" there is age discrimination so it may tank his enemy's chances at an airline (and anyone else who needs or wants a flying job). Second, he "hopes" to sabotage the enemy's chances when he is obviously no longer a problem to the OP, and is very unlikely to ever be in the future. Third, nobody ASKED for his opinion.

It is very likely that your attitude and efforts will sabotage YOUR future career far more than the enemy's. Remember, aviation is a small world.

I've been in the position of having negative input on the hiring decision. But, the input was based on first-hand knowledge, it was not out of personal vendetta (though one guy still owed me money), and I KNEW that hiring these people would not have been in MY company's best interest, AND, I was asked.

If he is like you say, he will get his without any help from you.

Yes, aviation is a small world. And you experienced something and you reacted in a fashion that you term "Sabotaging" a career. The least of my worries is my character against his. So my future is well intact. What seems to be missed by responses like yours is there are MANY others who know this guy and share the same concerns. They are making phone calls, sending emails and trying to get the word out for the sake of sometimes you feel a responsibility to do the hard thing because it is the right thing.

I never said I hope he is discriminated against. I just know how this business works and age can be a factor. I just didn't know if Eagle was primarily hiring younger pilots. Whether you like this fact or not, airlines do at times consider these types of things. I was only asking.

I started this with a general question about maybe age is playing a part in this time of the hiring process. All I have done is address the dialog that has been created by this question.

I know this man will not get to work at some airlines because of his overwhelming bad reputation that he covers with his charm. The details are so extensive but again, if you knew what I knew, you would be just as concerned about him working at your airline.

God help the Eagle guys if he gets hired. That is all I have to say.

 

[regionalcap]

You do not work for American Eagle. It is none of your business. I am sure someone could find faults in you (nobody's perfect), so how would you like someone else writing a letter about your faults and character. You had better be prepared to back yourself up in court because what you are doing could be considered libel. Leave it alone and focus on your own career.

 

[Hobiehawker]

You do not work for American Eagle. It is none of your business. I am sure someone could find faults in you (nobody's perfect), so how would you like someone else writing a letter about your faults and character. You had better be prepared to back yourself up in court because what you are doing could be considered libel. Leave it alone and focus on your own career.

I am not writing any letters. I am not on a witch hunt. I am not perfect. I have character flaws.

I would not pick your pocket. But this guy would.

Libel and slander are based on things that are not true. If there was a letter to be written it would be based on MY opinions and experience. But I am not writing any letters.

Once again, and this is important, there are MANY that know and have experienced what this guy is capable of doing. His local reputation is deplorable. But not in Dallas.

I really had no idea how many nerves this would touch. I think it is because of the thought of what if this could happen to me.

I will let this ride for now. It is obviously too touchy of a subject.

If there is the new hiring boom going on right now, no one person will have the power to change fate and this tool will get an airline job. Just not five of the airlines out there for certain. And in the chance that the ones that have been critical of this subject on this particular person on this board, all I can say is, I tried to tell you so.

Thanks for all the responses guys. Fly safe.

 

[satpak77]

In my lifetime the a-holes I have met have been across all age groups. cocky punk kids with attitudes up to grouchy old men with attitudes. a-holes are not limited to age group.

maybe the thread should be retitled "how to ban a-holes from getting hired"

 

[Rekks Inbound]

This man HAS tried to sabotage careers. He would cross your line to take YOUR job away from you. There are just some people that create problems due to their own personal gain. This person is a bad man. If trying to keep a person from negatively affecting another is pathetic behavior, then so be it. I would only wish someone would do the same for me.

You are right about the age issue. I have heard some guys getting regional jobs in their forties. But I am more interested on what has been the max age during this new round of hiring after a long period of not.

This truly is not about hatred or jealousy. I am not alone in how undeserving this would be for this man while others may not get what they rightfully deserve.

Hobie,

I wouldn't worry about this guy 1 more minute. If he is as bad as you have stated, he will likely wash out in initial (which will do far more damage to his future career than anything else).

He won't be able to maintain 'perfection' for the whole 1st year he is on probation, either. So even if he makes it through initial and onto the line, he most likely will not survive to complete probation. I've personally seen pilots not as bad as this guy seems to be wash out in at least the last 3 companies I've worked at.

And a note to Dash-power. I don't disagree with the policy at SWA, JB (I believe) used to have the same policy. What I DO disagree with is the candidate NOT have the chance to refute/explain their side of an issue in this case (because some, not all, but some people DO carry vendettas).

Peace.

Rekks