Airtran pilots, what about this?

[On Your Six]

How long will it take you to get SWA pay? I know the 717 is a different type (although same size as a 735) and it could take awhile to negotiate that (really?), but how long until a joint contract? Why wouldn't SWAPA want to do that BEFORE the SLI, like the only previous "successful" integration so far? USAir did the SLI first, and one side didnt like it. DL did it, and it looks to me that it was pretty successful.

Yet another reason for arbitration. This doesn't seem right. Could they hold the pay rates over your head unless you agree to their deal? Rhetoric on FI seems to point to that sometimes. SWAPA probably could turn this around and "reward" their new brothers and sisters with equal pay and truely bring them into the "family.". Arbitration can take that into account, like it supposedly did for the DL/NWA case (I was still a corporate bum then).

Make sure you at least get a fair spot on the seniority list, because seniority is forever. And ask why pay or a joint contract isn't done first. It's important. Ask questions. Why take the USAir model of negotiations?



OYS

 

[Bob Dylan]

If I were an AirTran pilot, I would be counting my lucky stars and willing to take anything that Southwest Airlines offered me!

I've never seen a luckier group than the Trannies. Especially since most of them were trying to get on at SWA anyway - not counting the ones that tried but couldn't. I heard it was in the low 90 percent range of AT pilots would either had an app in at SWA at one time or who currently have an app in. Talk about luck!!!

 

[Empennage]

How long will it take you to get SWA pay? I know the 717 is a different type (although same size as a 735) and it could take awhile to negotiate that (really?), but how long until a joint contract? Why wouldn't SWAPA want to do that BEFORE the SLI, like the only previous "successful" integration so far? USAir did the SLI first, and one side didnt like it. DL did it, and it looks to me that it was pretty successful.

Yet another reason for arbitration. This doesn't seem right. Could they hold the pay rates over your head unless you agree to their deal? Rhetoric on FI seems to point to that sometimes. SWAPA probably could turn this around and "reward" their new brothers and sisters with equal pay and truely bring them into the "family.". Arbitration can take that into account, like it supposedly did for the DL/NWA case (I was still a corporate bum then).

Make sure you at least get a fair spot on the seniority list, because seniority is forever. And ask why pay or a joint contract isn't done first. It's important. Ask questions. Why take the USAir model of negotiations?



OYS

Hijacking a new thread????

Is it true yet?

 

[Empennage]

How long will it take you to get SWA pay? I know the 717 is a different type (although same size as a 735) and it could take awhile to negotiate that (really?), but how long until a joint contract? Why wouldn't SWAPA want to do that BEFORE the SLI, like the only previous "successful" integration so far? USAir did the SLI first, and one side didnt like it. DL did it, and it looks to me that it was pretty successful.

Yet another reason for arbitration. This doesn't seem right. Could they hold the pay rates over your head unless you agree to their deal? Rhetoric on FI seems to point to that sometimes. SWAPA probably could turn this around and "reward" their new brothers and sisters with equal pay and truely bring them into the "family.". Arbitration can take that into account, like it supposedly did for the DL/NWA case (I was still a corporate bum then).

Make sure you at least get a fair spot on the seniority list, because seniority is forever. And ask why pay or a joint contract isn't done first. It's important. Ask questions. Why take the USAir model of negotiations?



OYS

Since you are so wise with your predictions and continued false and destructive rhetoric, what do you think occurs after arbitration?

That answer is the very reason no SWA or Airtran pilot puts any faith or reason in your statements. However, you continue to post, hoping there is a magic number at which point we all begin to believe the third party hype.

I'm sure you will post again. I would run to Las Vegas and put money on it. However, the next post still will not make it hold any more water than the last post. It never will. Ever.

I cheers again to optimism. Let us all move forward.

 

[GoodTimes]

All together now.........I - G - N - O - R - E. If everyone had the little men on their ignore list, this place would be so much more constructive. It takes less than a minute.

 

[Empennage]

All together now.........I - G - N - O - R - E. If everyone had the little men on their ignore list, this place would be so much more constructive. It takes less than a minute.

One more please.

Airtran pilots want to know why you care so much about this matter? Why would you spend so much time and energy? (Yea it's been asked before).

Lastly, what pleasure do you receive by creating such a contentious and hateful environment? How do you benefit by the splitting of two pilots groups and adding such discord?

You should not be asking airtran pilots. You should be answering them.

 

[Tripower455]

Lastly, what pleasure do you receive by creating such a contentious and hateful environment? How do you benefit by the splitting of two pilots groups and adding such discord?

He's the definition of TROLL. It's as simple as that!

 

[Lear70]

To answer the OP's question, we recently received a memo from Southwest MANAGEMENT that stated many things, like SWA pay, won't happen until 1st quarter 2012.

Of course, we already knew that, from the Process Agreement. The quickest way it happens is a negotiated SLI which will also contain a negotiated timeline for different compensation-based items (insurance, retirement, etc along with pay) for us to vote on. It all comes as one votable package.

If it goes to arbitration... could be much longer, up to an additional year or more, depending on many factors. Won't get into "what ifs" because I don't want to start a debate on the "what ifs" of holding and operating us separately. Already agreed to disagree on that one.

It's definitely a carrot for a negotiated list. Just the way it is, no way around it.

 

[On Your Six]

Hijacking a new thread????

Is it true yet?

Started a new one? Is that a problem? Don't read it if you don't want to. Airtran pilots need to think about these issues. When will the pay be equalized? After the SLI isn't good enough.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Since you are so wise with your predictions and continued false and destructive rhetoric, what do you think occurs after arbitration?

That answer is the very reason no SWA or Airtran pilot puts any faith or reason in your statements. However, you continue to post, hoping there is a magic number at which point we all begin to believe the third party hype.

I'm sure you will post again. I would run to Las Vegas and put money on it. However, the next post still will not make it hold any more water than the last post. It never will. Ever.

I cheers again to optimism. Let us all move forward.

You sound like the guy behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Move along fellows, nothing to see here. It's laughable.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

To answer the OP's question, we recently received a memo from Southwest MANAGEMENT that stated many things, like SWA pay, won't happen until 1st quarter 2012.

Of course, we already knew that, from the Process Agreement. The quickest way it happens is a negotiated SLI which will also contain a negotiated timeline for different compensation-based items (insurance, retirement, etc along with pay) for us to vote on. It all comes as one votable package.

If it goes to arbitration... could be much longer, up to an additional year or more, depending on many factors. Won't get into "what ifs" because I don't want to start a debate on the "what ifs" of holding and operating us separately. Already agreed to disagree on that one.

It's definitely a carrot for a negotiated list. Just the way it is, no way around
it.

Lear,

The process agreement was constructed to put pressure on you. You said it yourself, arbitration could mean a longer wait for pay parity. That is ridiculous, and should be changed, if you truly are "one company and brothers.". That is why arbitration is necessary, to make sure part of this deal is fair, because keeping pay different obviously is NOT.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

All together now.........I - G - N - O - R - E. If everyone had the little men on their ignore list, this place would be so much more constructive. It takes less than a minute.

Why are you responding then? Look away, just like you want the AT guys to do.


OYS

 

[ASADFW7]

Uhm dude that is funny, you have four blocked posts in a row, what is going on, OCD about fair and equitable, makes it sort of creepy for the rest of us.

 

[GoodTimes]

I'm looking at FOUR ignored replies from OYS in a row. FOUR in a row! Don't feed the sorry little troll.

 

[Empennage]

To answer the OP's question, we recently received a memo from Southwest MANAGEMENT that stated many things, like SWA pay, won't happen until 1st quarter 2012.

Of course, we already knew that, from the Process Agreement. The quickest way it happens is a negotiated SLI which will also contain a negotiated timeline for different compensation-based items (insurance, retirement, etc along with pay) for us to vote on. It all comes as one votable package.

If it goes to arbitration... could be much longer, up to an additional year or more, depending on many factors. Won't get into "what ifs" because I don't want to start a debate on the "what ifs" of holding and operating us separately. Already agreed to disagree on that one.

It's definitely a carrot for a negotiated list. Just the way it is, no way around it.

Lear. Thank you but not for you to answer. It's for oys to answer. I however can no longer read his response.

Tunning them out. One pilot at a time.

 

[texman]

To answer the OP's question, we recently received a memo from Southwest MANAGEMENT that stated many things, like SWA pay, won't happen until 1st quarter 2012.

Of course, we already knew that, from the Process Agreement. The quickest way it happens is a negotiated SLI which will also contain a negotiated timeline for different compensation-based items (insurance, retirement, etc along with pay) for us to vote on. It all comes as one votable package.

If it goes to arbitration... could be much longer, up to an additional year or more, depending on many factors. Won't get into "what ifs" because I don't want to start a debate on the "what ifs" of holding and operating us separately. Already agreed to disagree on that one.

It's definitely a carrot for a negotiated list. Just the way it is, no way around it.

Lear, can you PM me that memo please?

 

[SWA/FO]

but how long until a joint contract? Why wouldn't SWAPA want to do that BEFORE the SLI

This just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. SWAPA has a contract with SWA already. This is not an ALPA/APLA deal, like NWA/Delta was.

OY6 IS the problem on all these SWA/Tranny threads... Fact.

 

[redflyer65]

Pure Flamebait.

SW/AAI will be fine.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

One more please.

Airtran pilots want to know why you care so much about this matter? Why would you spend so much time and energy? (Yea it's been asked before).

Lastly, what pleasure do you receive by creating such a contentious and hateful environment? How do you benefit by the splitting of two pilots groups and adding such discord?

You should not be asking airtran pilots. You should be answering them.

I will answer this for him. He does have a personal interest in this. Being on the bottom of the list at DAL he is afraid of what a combined SWA AAI will do to his carrier and career. His only hope is to try and sow the seeds for a SWA civil war. A splintered disfunctional pilot group works to his advantage.

Notice to OYS: I shut you down on one thread. I will continue to counter you devisive rhetoric no matter where you post.


Luv,
Ghetto

 

[GoodTimes]

It rhymes with deplore folks.