SkyWest to open a CRJ PDX and SEA base in July

[BHopper88]

Open July 1, for Alaska flying (crj700)
- SEA (23 CA and 23 FO)
- PDX (23 CA and 23 FO)

 

[SiuDude]

Yeah, but how exactly does this affect ASA?

 

[damnflyboy]

Yeah, but how exactly does this affect ASA?

They'll furlough at ASA.

 

[Flyguy1226]

Oh, Horizon bases.

 

[NWaviator]

he SkyWest, Alaska, Horizon thing here is kind of like a three some. But it feels like the SkyWest is cornholing both AS pilots and QX pilots at the same time.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Open July 1, for Alaska flying (crj700)
- SEA (23 CA and 23 FO)
- PDX (23 CA and 23 FO)

Who cares,
rather they had just kept SAN open!!!

 

[nerjdriver]

They'll furlough at ASA.

And PER the TPA pilots go to SKYW. Any more questions.

 

[SIR MILO]

I wonder how many more jobs skywest will steal with their subpar pilot agreement. Medical, pay, retirement etc. First they ignore court rulings and steal Continental, United jobs, displacing Express pilots. Now they continue to undercut and take more jobs. Good job boys and girls, kill your exit or next step up and now undercut others on the same level to steal their jobs. Let me guess, your now offering great low payrates to fly bigger turboprops? Oh I know, it's the company not us, until you band together and create a collective voice to speak for you, your each just a bunch of two faced back stabbers, stepping over anyone to accelerate your career. What career, your part of the problem this industry sucks so much now, bravo, bravo. So short sighted.

 

[joe_pilot]

I wonder how many more jobs skywest will steal with their subpar pilot agreement. Medical, pay, retirement etc. First they ignore court rulings and steal Continental, United jobs, displacing Express pilots. Now they continue to undercut and take more jobs. Good job boys and girls, kill your exit or next step up and now undercut others on the same level to steal their jobs. Let me guess, your now offering great low payrates to fly bigger turboprops? Oh I know, it's the company not us, until you band together and create a collective voice to speak for you, your each just a bunch of two faced back stabbers, stepping over anyone to accelerate your career. What career, your part of the problem this industry sucks so much now, bravo, bravo. So short sighted.

Medicate much?

 

[ArianaAfghanAir]

I wonder how many more jobs skywest will steal with their subpar pilot agreement. Medical, pay, retirement etc. First they ignore court rulings and steal Continental, United jobs, displacing Express pilots. Now they continue to undercut and take more jobs. Good job boys and girls, kill your exit or next step up and now undercut others on the same level to steal their jobs. Let me guess, your now offering great low payrates to fly bigger turboprops? Oh I know, it's the company not us, until you band together and create a collective voice to speak for you, your each just a bunch of two faced back stabbers, stepping over anyone to accelerate your career. What career, your part of the problem this industry sucks so much now, bravo, bravo. So short sighted.

Subpar? Your post sounds more like unsubstantiated rumor instead of facts. SkyWest Airlines, even with no legally binding contract, is among the top paying regional airlines in the industry.

If you look at hourly pay rates, youre fooling yourself. You have to look at the overall compensation package. 100% Deadhead pay, 100% cancelation pay, 100% pay to/from training etc etc.

We get all of these perks that most other regionals do not. They might have higher pay rates, but if you look at W2's at the end of the year, we are at the top.

I made $107,000 last year on 6/7th CA year pay. Had I not been a commuter, I probably would have made another $7-10,000, as I had to bid for trips that had to be commutable. Most of the trips I held paid no less than 20 hours for a 4 day, and averaged 22 hours. I could have held the 25 hour 4 days, but they started at 5am-12pm, which were non-commutable.

My FO I just flew with has been here 3.5 years and is on track to make $52,000 this year. He is also a commuter. The guys that have been on the bottom for the last 3-4 year hiring stop are the vocal 10% minority who complain the loudest.

 

[SkyNation]

Arian,

lemme sum up all the hatin' coming your way.

-you're lying about what you make
-none of it matters if it's not done under the mighty ALPA banner
-just wait, your day is coming. it can't last forever.
-blah, blah, blah

as soon as the usual suspects put down their spank mags, er, I mean ALPA mags, they'll pile on with the usual drivel.

enjoy your better overall pay and QOL. there's a reason why SkyWest gets the most hits of all regionals on interview gouge sites.

 

[FishandFly]

Subpar? Your post sounds more like unsubstantiated rumor instead of facts. SkyWest Airlines, even with no legally binding contract, is among the top paying regional airlines in the industry.

If you look at hourly pay rates, youre fooling yourself. You have to look at the overall compensation package. 100% Deadhead pay, 100% cancelation pay, 100% pay to/from training etc etc.

We get all of these perks that most other regionals do not. They might have higher pay rates, but if you look at W2's at the end of the year, we are at the top.

I made $107,000 last year on 6/7th CA year pay. Had I not been a commuter, I probably would have made another $7-10,000, as I had to bid for trips that had to be commutable. Most of the trips I held paid no less than 20 hours for a 4 day, and averaged 22 hours. I could have held the 25 hour 4 days, but they started at 5am-12pm, which were non-commutable.

My FO I just flew with has been here 3.5 years and is on track to make $52,000 this year. He is also a commuter. The guys that have been on the bottom for the last 3-4 year hiring stop are the vocal 10% minority who complain the loudest.

Can you break this down a bit? By my math you credited 120 hours per month on average.

 

[DoinTime]

Can you break this down a bit? By my math you credited 120 hours per month on average.

Yep....120 hours/month and by his admission he was working 22 hour 4-day trips. Thats 8-9 days off per month on average. Sounds like a wonderful lifestyle.

Do you have to be senior to hold schedules like that?

 

[amcnd]

If you add your perdiem, bonus you can break $100K a year as a 6th year Captain... I avarage 105hrs credit.. Plus 10-15hrs of that is JM pay also.. And we bid 12 times a year and Horizon only bids 11 .. You can nit-pick both airlines. But in the end we all make within 10-20K + or - of each other... Big deal. Im happy at SkyWest, Im happy were i live , ski 3-4 days a week in the winter, and pack on the miles on my road bike in the summer and don't commute... All this does'nt meen im not looking to move on though.. We also have our own problems. Low staffing, can't get vacation, ect....

 

[nimtz]

If you look at hourly pay rates, youre fooling yourself. You have to look at the overall compensation package. 100% Deadhead pay, 100% cancelation
pay, 100% pay to/from training etc etc.

Ah I worked at a regional from 2000-2006. I had each of these 'perks' (plus many other CONTRACTUAL work rules) the entire time. So what are these perks you speak of then? BTW great that you think of work rules as 'perks'. That way if they go away you can just say well it was just a 'perk' anyways.

Also management gives those of you that think of per diem as compensation a serious tip of the hat. Reminds me of hearing FA's talking about the need to pick up a trip so they can make up for lost per diem.

 

[Baronman]

There's no group I'd rather be whipsawed against than Skywest! It's like they enjoy being Dr Evil's pet cat.

 

[SSDD]

Ah I worked at a regional from 2000-2006. I had each of these 'perks' (plus many other CONTRACTUAL work rules) the entire time. So what are these perks you speak of then? BTW great that you think of work rules as 'perks'. That way if they go away you can just say well it was just a 'perk' anyways.

So if these are such basic work rules, then why are there SEVERAL union regionals that don't have them as part of their great contracts?

Just asking...

 

[FishandFly]

Well said baronman.

I always imagine a whiny 14 year old kid who's epaulettes are on upside down yelling/singing "I don't pay 2 percent, I don't pay 2 percent"

 

[FishandFly]

Ah I worked at a regional from 2000-2006. I had each of these 'perks' (plus many other CONTRACTUAL work rules) the entire time. So what are these perks you speak of then? BTW great that you think of work rules as 'perks'. That way if they go away you can just say well it was just a 'perk' anyways.

So if these are such basic work rules, then why are there SEVERAL union regionals that don't have them as part of their great contracts?

Just asking...

Because their companies suck. You work for a good company with good leadership. That means that they can afford to deal with a well represented group.

Just because they give you a little loving every time their other airlines force some loving doesn't make you smarter, it just makes you a parasite.
(not in a disrespectful way, but in the free-loader kind of way)

Rather than look at the bad airlines that have bad work rules, why don't skywest pilots look at all the good companies employee groups that are represented and realize that Unlcle Jerry won't take you out of the will just because you stand up for yourselves?

 

[damnflyboy]

And PER the TPA pilots go to SKYW. Any more questions.

Is this in reference to ASA's two waves of furloughs versus SkyWest's zero furloughs a couple of years ago?

 

[NWaviator]

More I think about it more I want SKW to buy QX.

 

[DHPFLYN]

If you add your perdiem, bonus you can break $100K a year as a 6th year Captain... I avarage 105hrs credit.. Plus 10-15hrs of that is JM pay also.. And we bid 12 times a year and Horizon only bids 11 .. You can nit-pick both airlines. But in the end we all make within 10-20K + or - of each other... Big deal. Im happy at SkyWest, Im happy were i live , ski 3-4 days a week in the winter, and pack on the miles on my road bike in the summer and don't commute... All this does'nt meen im not looking to move on though.. We also have our own problems. Low staffing, can't get vacation, ect....

You can't get vacation?? Why is that? Do they stop you from taking your vacation?

 

[Nevets]

The only way to measure pay AND QOL is to take your total income on your W2 and divide it by total block hours flown or TTAB and compare that number.

FWIW, JA once told the XJT MEC that the average compensation at XJT was 12% higher than ASA and 16% higher than Skywest.

 

[amcnd]

You can't get vacation?? Why is that? Do they stop you from taking your vacation?

Only Master vacation. That is bid on and is done Nov evey year for the next year... IN SLC there are 409 RJ CA and only 10 Vacation spots each week of the month... DEN has 260 and the same 10 spots.. Seem wrong.. If you don't already have master vaction awarded, trying to put in a request for time off is a waste of time... DENIED!!!

 

[Erlanger]

The only way to measure pay AND QOL is to take your total income on your W2 and divide it by total block hours flown or TTAB and compare that number.

FWIW, JA once told the XJT MEC that the average compensation at XJT was 12% higher than ASA and 16% higher than Skywest.

Jerry is screwing with you. He wasn't talking just about pay rates. I've seen Jerry's take on compensation in writing. He conciders the premiums on insurance that Skywest pays for you and its contribution to your 401k and countless other things I can't recall from that list of his, as "compensation". Skywest use to tell us what our "compensation" was. My "compensation" was like double what my W2 was.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Jerry is screwing with you. He wasn't talking just about pay rates. I've seen Jerry's take on compensation in writing. He conciders the premiums on insurance that Skywest pays for you and its contribution to your 401k and countless other things I can't recall from that list of his, as "compensation". Skywest use to tell us what our "compensation" was. My "compensation" was like double what my W2 was.

Oh yes, the "total compensation" B.S. SkyWest even put out an entire publication once showing us the "total compensation". It was so insulting it was funny...even included payroll taxes!!!

 

[badog]

Really?

Jerry is screwing with you. He wasn't talking just about pay rates. I've seen Jerry's take on compensation in writing. He conciders the premiums on insurance that Skywest pays for you and its contribution to your 401k and countless other things I can't recall from that list of his, as "compensation". Skywest use to tell us what our "compensation" was. My "compensation" was like double what my W2 was.

I don't know who's more PATHETIC, this person or jerry?
If our mngmnt threw this at us we'd revolt with laughter and skw people agree with this bs?
What's MORE PATHETIC is that skw flight attendants have 500 votes FOR a union. How ironic that the fa's MAY vote in a union BEFORE the pilots?
PATHETIC..

 

[homerjdispatch]

I don't know who's more PATHETIC, this person or jerry?
If our mngmnt threw this at us we'd revolt with laughter and skw people agree with this bs?
What's MORE PATHETIC is that skw flight attendants have 500 votes FOR a union. How ironic that the fa's MAY vote in a union BEFORE the pilots?
PATHETIC..

Or BRILLIANT... Let the FA's vote in a union, then tell management, give us union wages and work rules or we follow suit...

 

[imisscorplife]

Ive been with Skywest for 4 years now and in 2010 I made 40k and that was on reserve all year breaking guarantee twice. Ive worked for charter/corp and another regional and I have to say that Skywest has its fair share of problems but its much better than the previous companies Ive worked for.

Im concerned about what Skywest Inc. is doing with ASA/XJT but I have no control over that, union or not, so should I have some sort of guilt? Other companies arent run right and treat their crewmembers like crap, so what can I do to help? Quit Skywest to prove a point, theyll just fill in the gap with a new hire. Regionals will always be a stepping stone to most, some companies better than others, just like the majors. I wasnt happy with my previous pilot positions so I LEFT!!! If youre not happy, leave!!

Vent complete

 

[IBNAV8R]

The only way to measure pay AND QOL is to take your total income on your W2 and divide it by total block hours flown or TTAB and compare that number.

Only if you measure QOL in terms of pay per hour. But let's compare anyway.

$146.65/block hour (16yr SKYW Capt)
$39.72/hr TAFB