Regional FO's getting their ATP

[PA44Jockey]

I put this in this thread because it appears that the majority of people getting ATPs on their own are Regional FOs.

I'd like to hear about your experience with ALL ATPs. How well do you feel the supplement prepared you? Was it pretty much a muilti-commercial ride, but just to tighter standards?

All of the reviews on the ALL ATPs site are good ones (as to be expected), so I am looking for the more for the good, bad and the ugly.

Thanks

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I saw a few guys fail their multi-ATP ride at ALL ATPs (one flew A320s). Its not a sure thing. Sometimes it depends on which location and who the examiner is. The guy who did my ride told me the other two failed because they didnt hold the needles closer to the 1K marker. It might also help to use a location with a Frasca setup which has unlimited use. l'd study the ATP written on my own or at least get familiar with it befor eshowing up. The computer testing and booklets there, can leave a lot to be desired, if you want a high score like in the 90's.

 

[rjacobs]

I was going to go to All ATP's to do mine. I found out they were doing a deal for 1000 bucks plus 400 to the examiner(at that specific location) to compete with another small flight school on the airport. I told the guy I wanted to do it and I would call the next week when my schedule for the following month came out. Called him the day I told him I would and he says, well the price went up to 1400+400 to the examiner. I was like WTF happened to the 1400 for the whole thing deal, got some bull ******************** response and told him I was no longer interested. He seemed offended. I feel like they were simply trying to take me for an additional 400 bucks.

There is a place in St. Louis that does a weekend course for 2100 bucks. Their airplanes dont look the greatest, but they are kept in great mechanical shape.

 

[LearLove]

I used All ATP's in KTTN back in June 1999 to get my ATP. At the time I was flying mostly single pilot 135 in a PA-31 so I was very piston multi current. Showed up with my written done and just went with their profile/syllabus. In my group was a CFI/MEI and 2 USAF C-141 guys from McGuire.

The instructor we had was an ATP guy that went thru their program (0 to 200 hours/ratings). He had about 300tt at the time but knew his stuff and the program. 2 rides each and 2 "observer' rides in the Seminole and you were sent off to the DE for your ride. The ride was basically what we practiced on the 2 flights. The oral was a group oral and the questions were from the All ATP 20 page Seminole/ATP book.

Ride profile (june 1999)

1. Group oral
2. Preflight
3. Aborted T.O.
4. T.O. eng fail (simulated zero thrust) at rotation and climb out
5. Practice area for hood maneuvers (slow flight, steep turns, eng out securing)
6. single engine ILS to Rwy24 at KPNE to a single engine missed
7. single engine LOC to Ryw6 at KTTN to a stop and go (2 eng T.O. of course)
8. VOR A app. at KTTN to a circle to land/touch and go to a visual SE landing
End of ride about 1.0 flight. The ATP ride was almost exactly like the 135 PIC rides I did with the ABE FISDO.

Everything was pretty much canned and the same for all 4 of us. 3 of the 4 had civ comm/mel ratings. One of the mil guys had never touched a civ plane before and he needed an extra ride and recheck but other than that it was all "smooth in and out" via the ATP book.

Back then it was $975 cash out the door.

 

[trip]

Regional F.O's get their ATP free at upgrade, why pay for it?

 

[PA44Jockey]

Regional F.O's get their ATP free at upgrade, why pay for it?

I was at a regional for 6 years without an upgrade and left. Upgrades have pretty much been non-existent anywhere for the past couple of years. Been out of the cockpit for a while and now places such as Republic are requiring the ATP to get hired.

 

[flythere]

I found out they were doing a deal for 1000 bucks plus 400 to the examiner(at that specific location) to compete with another small flight school on the airport. Called him the day I told him I would and he says, well the price went up to 1400+400 to the examiner. I was like WTF happened to the 1400 for the whole thing deal, got some bull ******************** response and told him I was no longer interested. He seemed offended. I feel like they were simply trying to take me for an additional 400 bucks.

Sounds like capitalism at its best! ALL ATP undercut the price to run it's competition out, then jacked up the price!

 

[rjacobs]

Sounds like capitalism at its best! ALL ATP undercut the price to run it's competition out, then jacked up the price!

Well I agree they were trying to run their competition out. It just seeme that they were trying to pull a fast one on me since they knew I wanted to come do the rating there. screw that.

 

[xrated]

I saw a few guys fail their multi-ATP ride at ALL ATPs (one flew A320s).

An A320 pilot failing an ATP ride in a PA-44 Semenhole should be no surprise! What was he doing flying a 320 without an ATP anyways????

 

[say again]

I was at a regional for 6 years without an upgrade and left. Upgrades have pretty much been non-existent anywhere for the past couple of years. Been out of the cockpit for a while and now places such as Republic are requiring the ATP to get hired.

Are you trying to get hired by another regional? I figured 6 years would be enough. :beer: