P-56 Busted Airspace

[COOPERVANE]

Personally I'd fly it in green needles, but build the fix on the FMS for situational awareness.

That's what the check ride profile will be. If you build a route in the FMS and fly white needles YOU WILL have an FMS failure. If you build it but fly green, they have no "gotcha" to debrief.

This reminds me of the old canarsie departure profile in the sim.

 

[wmuflyguy]

If you could please explain to me where building your own RNAV overlay departure is wrong, I would appreciate it. Editing an RNAV1 departure in the database is another thing...

You're building an overlay to raw data that is more stable than the raw data while still able to be verified. There is nothing in the FARs that prevents building an FMC overlay to a raw procedure. You are incorrect that building your own RNAV departure is somehow wrong, since the user built RNAV departure is verified on raw and/or certified GPS data.

You can track a radial in flight without going to green needles, right? Along with many other examples including other airports where you track radials off the deck... DCA being the only "green needles" example that some yahoo justified their desk with that I can think of. Some guy on the CRJ decided on this and all the other operators just fell in line.

Again, demonstrate to me why this is wrong or somehow at fault in this situation, because you're going to be scratching at bare walls....

I'd say it is only wrong if your company prohibits it. I have no problem if you do that and back it up with the RMI, as long as the company allows it.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Dude, why are you turning this into a you're wrong/I'm right pissing contest? I NEVER said it was wrong, did I? The point I was getting at was that there's no published RNAV procedure to follow a specific track, such the ATL, DFW, LAX, BOS (at least used to)etc. Would it be nice if they built a procedure? Sure. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't hitting the TOGA on the CRJ when taking the runway give the FMS it's runway update, or something along those lines? If I'm wrong, sorry. Thought I remember hearing that and/or reading that when I was studying for transition training on the CRJ. Since you've flown so many planes in your short career, you should know that not ALL set ups have that capability. If no runway is loaded into the Honeywell product on the WSCOD, the ref data is hardly accurate at first. Again, like I said, RNAV departures are runway specific, the FMS may not be tracking if it NEVER got a good ref point to start with.





Since your putting additional text and inserting ****************************** bag like quips...

Get over yourself and off your high horse.

Why on earth do you have this attitude with me? You responded saying that you are making an RNAV departure out of the procedure, which obviously implies that what I'm saying is wrong. I responded in detail as such, and having worked 9 out of the past 10 days and not being able to sleep last night, it took a few edits.

This discussion is about the CRJ series aircraft, not the WSCOD, which is what I based my points off of.

 

[dojetdriver]

Why on earth do you have this attitude with me?

Oh, I don't know dude. Maybe because you took my point way too far? Even though I agreed with you, you couldn't seem to see what I was getting at and the potential danger it could get you into if the FMS has a reference probelm. THEN, you do a bunch of edit/hack jobs on your posts to insert condescending personal remarks.

That's OK, I don't think reading/comprehension has ever been a pompous southern redneck's strong suit. I didn't have an attitude with you, till YOU had one with me.

Carry on, and have a good night.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Oh, I don't know dude. Maybe because you took my point way too far? Even though I agreed with you, you couldn't seem to see what I was getting at and the potential danger it could get you into if the FMS has a reference probelm. THEN, you do a bunch of edit/hack jobs on your posts to insert condescending personal remarks.

That's OK, I don't think reading/comprehension has ever been a pompous southern redneck's strong suit.

Carry on, and have a good night.

Knowing your posting history and your attitude towards me (pompous southern redneck? well, I grew up in a suburb of atlanta, so you got the southern part right...), it was a logical assumption that you were disagreeing with me and going to continue down your usual path.


Condescending personal remarks? Other than saying that you were wrong and that continuing down that path would be scratching at bare walls, I don't see anything else in there. If you take that personally, well... you need some thicker skin.

 

[dojetdriver]

Knowing your posting history and your attitude towards me (pompous southern redneck? well, I grew up in a suburb of atlanta, so you got the southern part right...), it was a logical assumption that you were disagreeing with me and going to continue down your usual path.


Condescending personal remarks? Other than saying that you were wrong and that continuing down that path would be scratching at bare walls, I don't see anything else in there. If you take that personally, well... you need some thicker skin.

Goddamn that it ONE tall horse you got.

If you can't handle people challenging your thoughts without flying off the handle, maybe you should take some of your own advice.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Goddamn that it ONE tall horse you got.

If you can't handle people challenging your thoughts without flying off the handle, maybe you should take some of your own advice.

Please direct me to where I "flew off the handle."

 

[dojetdriver]

Please direct me to where I "flew off the handle."

Because you wanted to turn it into a who's right and who's wrong pissing contest.

Don't know how many times I can say it, I AGREED WITH YOU!!!!!!!!

But doing it that way could open up potential problems.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Because you wanted to turn it into a who's right and who's wrong pissing contest.

Don't know how many times I can say it, I AGREED WITH YOU!!!!!!!!

But doing it that way could open up potential problems.

Yeah... stating that in the original reponse would have been so incredibly difficult.

 

[Superpilot92]

turn left :beer:

 

[dojetdriver]

Yeah... stating that in the original reponse would have been so incredibly difficult.

Gee, I''m sorry. I thought the person I was responding to in the first place was smart/mature enough to pick up that I wasn't slamming them or telling them they're "wrong"

As well as experienced and wise enough (for their age) to see the potential problems that could be created. I wasn't aware that their delicate little sensibilities would get so flustered in the process.

Grow up, and try not to be so miserable about it.

 

[Beaver79]

I'm not one to Monday morning quarterback--at least I really try not to--but twice!?? How the F--does anyone know the what exactly happened?

Here's an idea. At the departure end of the runway (regardless of altitude unless you are at 50' or so which is impossible with two engines turning) turn left to 310....figure out the exact path later. ATC is much more forgiving than the secret service.