American slides off runway.

[Mickey]

An AA 737 slid off in Toronto.

 

[General Lee]

An AA 737 slid off in Toronto.

I thought it was Montreal? The nose gear got stuck in the mud after exiting on a highspeed? It was later towed to the gate I believe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

Good thing it wasn't WN. We'd be overloading the server right now.

Gup

 

[FLYLOW22]

Just say it happened in Canada. Most Americans refer to Canada as Canada regardless of specific city or province anyway...

I think it's pretty cool that AA pilots can slide off of hot runways and cold runways in brand new jets with equal skill.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Just say it happened in Canada. Most Americans refer to Canada as Canada regardless of specific city or province anyway...

I think it's pretty cool that AA pilots can slide off of hot runways and cold runways in brand new jets with equal skill.

That's cold man.

 

[relief tube]

Good thing it wasn't WN. We'd be overloading the server right now.

Gup

SWA goes to YYZ? Didn't know that.

 

[pair_of_pratts]

From another website: picture
AvHerald: Report

 

[bubbers44]

High speed turn offs work quite well in dry conditions. Not so well in slippery conditions. It happens a lot. Be careful. Nobody got hurt and they will not have a lot of fun at the hearing. End of story.

 

[Mickey]

Montreal. Correct. I had Toronto on my brain for some reason? Their high speed was slick that night.

 

[Hovernut]

Reportedly tried to exit at E off of 24R at 70kts.

I'm in there all the time both in the front and back...commute there part time. I always get a kick out of people who land 24R and light up the brakes and reversers to exit at E when idle reverse and minimal braking gets you to a decent speed to exit at B2 where Ground is going to cross you at 10/28 anyway!

Glad everyone walked away and the a/c was at lest towable.

 

[Tomct]

Let me guess.....another CP or CAirman trying to get current??

Glad everyone is ok.

 

[Ad Lib]

737 is a great airplane, with very mediocre brakes. I'm not surprised they occasionally go off the paved surface. More surprised that they don't go off more frequently.

 

[aa73]

While the 738 is no 757, the brakes are as effective as they can be for dual-wheel axles. The problem with the 738 is the artificially-high Vref speeds for tail strike issues. I've never seen a Vref lower than 135kts, and that was with a VERY light load. You just have to be aggressive in setting it down on short runways and not be hesitant to use brakes 3 or Max, along with the dreaded 40 Flaps. Using those techniques, it stops no problemo. It just lands fast.

These guys, from the looks of it, may have slid off trying to make one of the high speed turnoffs. It was not a runway overrun, not even close. Glad it turned out OK.

 

[Monster Buck]

Good thing it wasn't WN. We'd be overloading the server right now.

Gup

do you know if the FO from the chicago accident every made it back to work fulltime? he was a great guy

 

[njcapt]

While the 738 is no 757, the brakes are as effective as they can be for dual-wheel axles. The problem with the 738 is the artificially-high Vref speeds for tail strike issues. I've never seen a Vref lower than 135kts, and that was with a VERY light load. You just have to be aggressive in setting it down on short runways and not be hesitant to use brakes 3 or Max, along with the dreaded 40 Flaps. Using those techniques, it stops no problemo. It just lands fast.

These guys, from the looks of it, may have slid off trying to make one of the high speed turnoffs. It was not a runway overrun, not even close. Glad it turned out OK.

Word.

 

[jimcav]

737 is a great airplane, with very mediocre brakes. I'm not surprised they occasionally go off the paved surface. More surprised that they don't go off more frequently.

Have you ever seen a -700 land at EYW?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Twy E isn't technically a high-speed. I wonder if they thought it was.

 

[AV82SKI]

Originally Posted by Ad Lib
737 is a great airplane, with very mediocre brakes. I'm not surprised they occasionally go off the paved surface. More surprised that they don't go off more frequently.

Have you ever seen a -700 land at EYW?

The point that Ad Lib was making was in regards to the 737-800. The 700 is capable of the short runways while the 800 requires a little more work. As mentioned, the 700 Vref speed is usually about 135 while the 800 Vref is 150. At flaps 30 and autobrakes 3 the 800 requires 6700ft vs 5600 for the 700. With the high ref speeds and mediocre brakes the 800 just simply doesn't slow down and stop like the 700.

 

[aa73]

The point that Ad Lib was making was in regards to the 737-800. The 700 is capable of the short runways while the 800 requires a little more work. As mentioned, the 700 Vref speed is usually about 135 while the 800 Vref is 150. At flaps 30 and autobrakes 3 the 800 requires 6700ft vs 5600 for the 700. With the high ref speeds and mediocre brakes the 800 just simply doesn't slow down and stop like the 700.

The reason the -800 requires more work is not due to "mediocre brakes" but rather, as you mentioned, the higher approach speeds. The brakes are very effective, they just have to dissipate a lot more energy.

 

[igneousy2]

Autobrake 3 works fine as long as you get them off by 80 or so. I do not recommend MAX on a bare and dry runway.

 

[Captzaahlie]

NAV Canada reported, that the airplane exited the runway at a speed of about 70 knots and came to a stop between taxiways E and B2 with all gear off the southern edge of the paved surface. At the time of occurrence there was heavy rain and winds from the south at 15 knots gusting 20 knots. http://avherald.com/h?article=4340b3c3&opt=512

Thats not really a nose wheel sliding off a high speed if you ask me.....
then again I'm just an FO, wtf do I know?? lol