The OFFICIAL list: I'll agree to honor the SWA/AAI when it's all done.

[carl p]

The OFFICIAL list: I'll agree to honor the SWA/AAI SLI when it's all done.

Who is willing to go on record saying he/she will respect the final SLI list regardless if it is negotiated or arbitrated? You are pledging to move forward with your new co-workers in a positive manner!

I will

 

[ivauir]

carl,

That is great and it is important to keep an upbeat cooperative and positive attitude throughout this process. Certainly you acknowledge that "accepting" an SLI will be easier for some than others.

I don't know if a non arbitrated SLI is possible, but I see great value in such an outcome. An arbitrated solution isn't "wrong", but a negotiated solution would be amazing. Even pilots who disagreed with the specifics of such a list would have much greater ownership. - at least it was decided by pilots and not some lawyer/academic with no skin in the game.

I can tell you that if both teams make a real concerted effort towards a negotiated solution it will be a lot easier to be a peace with the SLI, even if it is arbitrated. Circumventing negotiations and going straight to arbitration will feel like a big "FU". It would be a lousy way to begin a working relationship.

Fortunately, my union is telling me that the initial steps are positive.

Even if I vote against a proposed SLI, i will not just accept it - I will embrace it. An arbitrated one ...

I'll do my best.

 

[carl p]

carl,

That is great and it is important to keep an upbeat cooperative and positive attitude throughout this process. Certainly you acknowledge that "accepting" an SLI will be easier for some than others.

I don't know if a non arbitrated SLI is possible, but I see great value in such an outcome. An arbitrated solution isn't "wrong", but a negotiated solution would be amazing. Even pilots who disagreed with the specifics of such a list would have much greater ownership. - at least it was decided by pilots and not some lawyer/academic with no skin in the game.

I can tell you that if both teams make a real concerted effort towards a negotiated solution it will be a lot easier to be a peace with the SLI, even if it is arbitrated. Circumventing negotiations and going straight to arbitration will feel like a big "FU". It would be a lousy way to begin a working relationship.

Fortunately, my union is telling me that the initial steps are positive.

Even if I vote against a proposed SLI, i will not just accept it - I will embrace it. An arbitrated one ...

I'll do my best.

Agreed, both sides need to try and work together. Arbitration is a last resort, the purpose of this thread is for those who are willing to respect the process and move forward when it's all done. We must not let this become another Airways.

 

[waveflyer]

+1...

 

[paulsalem]

This isn't fair for the rest of us that have been entertained countless hours by the East/West Mess.

I suggest you reconsider your sane positions.

 

[jball2]

There may be disappointment for some but I have lived with it before. Age 65 is a classic example. As my wife tells the kids often, "Get what ya get and don't pitch a fit!" Thanks Carl and Ivuair for being realistic and positive.

 

[St. Nic]

Carl, the southwest pilots and Swapa control the merger- period. Either DOH or a ratio based on earnings, these are thre fairest ways to integrate. You were thrown a lifeline to pull yourself out of the regional quagmire of an airline you were eternally tied to. Good luck!

 

[27 driver]

...........+ 2

 

[Midge]

Carl, the southwest pilots and Swapa control the merger- period. Either DOH or a ratio based on earnings, these are thre fairest ways to integrate. You were thrown a lifeline to pull yourself out of the regional quagmire of an airline you were eternally tied to. Good luck!

Hold the phone.
I've read your posts. Aren't you a US Airways pilot? How can you tell someone else how to merge based on earnings when you guys are the lowest paid, and are trying to force a DOH down your counter parts throats?
Nobody was thrown a lifeline at Air Tran, they were a growing, thriving company taking aircraft deliveries.
Us Airways was days away from liquidation.
Apples to oranges pal, sorry to burst your DOH bubble!
Take it to the regionals, and try to impress them.

 

[j41driver]

Hopefully our unions can negotiate the SLI but whether it's negotiated or arbitrated, I'll live with the outcome. I can't see any other way to avoid the USAirways debacle and keep SWA's great culture intact.

 

[Kharma Police]

Carl, the southwest pilots and Swapa control the merger- period. Either DOH or a ratio based on earnings, these are thre fairest ways to integrate. You were thrown a lifeline to pull yourself out of the regional quagmire of an airline you were eternally tied to. Good luck!

LOL!, aren't you an Eastie?!?! Please, do tell how the binding arbitration process should work, I need a good laugh!

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Thread back on topic. I will work with the list no matter how it turns out or how we get there. The most destructive thing to our careers would be to have this turn into a bitter relationship. I think both sides NCs are more level headed than some of the posters on this board. Hopefully they will come up with something we can all live with.



Ghetto

 

[SWA/FO]

Thread back on topic. I will work with the list no matter how it turns out or how we get there. The most destructive thing to our careers would be to have this turn into a bitter relationship. I think both sides NCs are more level headed than some of the posters on this board. Hopefully they will come up with something we can all live with.

How many BE-400A's does Tranny fly over there? Looks as if you are a checkairman on the BE-400A how is that going?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

How many BE-400A's does Tranny fly over there? Looks as if you are a checkairman on the BE-400A how is that going?

I never botherd to update my profile. Just fixed it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Once the list is final, we have no choice but to accept it. The question is how we implement it . . . I vote we follow the example of the gentlemanly DAL/NWA merger, not the Jerry Springer-style AWA/USAir debacle.

 

[AnimalTale]

Carl, the southwest pilots and Swapa control the merger- period. Either DOH or a ratio based on earnings, these are thre fairest ways to integrate. You were thrown a lifeline to pull yourself out of the regional quagmire of an airline you were eternally tied to. Good luck!

Dude. I am/was willing and have been a gentleman/diplomat bout your situation. BUT YOU ARE A BLIND, NARCISSIST, so here you go and I apologize for the honesty:

You work for a Sh!thole airline (EAST-SIDE only). Maybe you should take your own advice and live with what you got. And yes I am going to live with what I got.

I would rather work for MESA/REPUBLIC then for the USAIReast. AmericaWest saved you from guaranteed extinction.

SO ST. NIC, grab your lifeline and count your blessings!

CYA

 

[vetrider]

Agreed, both sides need to try and work together. Arbitration is a last resort, the purpose of this thread is for those who are willing to respect the process and move forward when it's all done. We must not let this become another Airways.

Hopefully you can keep it from becoming another Airways, believe me, it's not fun. But we saw all kinds of this same kind of talk as we began the process. It didn't take but an instant for all that to get flushed down the toilet.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I'm with u guys. Let's get it done and spank some a$$!!!

 

[S3sundowner]

Ty, I think you'll get over it when you see your first paycheck.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, I think you'll get over it when you see your first paycheck.

I think I'll get over it when I get to work again at an airline that values its employees.