AirTran TA

[gearup5]

TA approved aprox. 87% in favor.

 

[Muppets]

And our management is enjoying a champagne breakfast and toasting the stupidity of our pilot group. Cheers.

 

[jonjuan]

And our management is enjoying a champaign breakfast and toasting the stupidity of our pilot group. Cheers.

"Champaign?" Yep......

 

[Muppets]

oops. champagne. I still voted no.

 

[Kharma Police]

And our management is enjoying a champaign breakfast and toasting the stupidity of our pilot group. Cheers.

Don't worry, soon you will be flying with some of them!

 

[Muppets]

We should all pray to god this SWA thing happens. The TA we just signed will be around for about the next 12 years - if history repeats itself. The majority of pilots I spoke with didnt even read the contract and voted----thats the disturbing part. Our mec says in the roadshow "If it werent for the possible merger, I wouldnt be up here talking to you guys".......WTF.

 

[Mike man]

good luck finding one person who voted YES

 

[Data]

TA approved aprox. 87% in favor.

So what are some of the highlights for those of us on the outside?

 

[Muppets]

Highlights are......
1. Below Alaska pay
2. Below JB for Airbus
3. Reserves got raped (they can sit ready reserve in any AT city)
4. Signing bonus was an absolute insult (payed out in two payments)
5. Reserves lost a TON of pay (work rules)
6. No override for Mex, Carribean, Canada flying (not international?)
7. Premium pay 125% or 150% (at companys discretion), so that wont exist
8. We got one more hour of vacation pay!
9. Did I mention retro pay that I wouldnt give my dog?

 

[jetlag7]

oops. champagne. I still voted no.

More like SHAM - PAIN!!

 

[CatfishVT9]

good luck finding one person who voted YES

Other way around pal. The guys who voted no are here and on the ALPA board, but they are hard to find in the crew lounge.

I went to a road show last week and asked if they had any no voters speaking about their displeasure. The answer? Not one. He even named off one of the loudest critics on the ALPA board who didn't utter a peep the entire time. It figures since I always just hit page down when I see this guy's name on the forum.

I read it, re-read it and asked questions. I don't think anyone was ecstatic about it, but this was it. I am a realist, so I held my nose and voted yes. The NMB was going to park us until after the holidays before the merger was announced. This was it.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Reserves losing pay Muppets? Another person that doesn't understand the system. You'll make MORE during the slow months since you'll get 78 vice 70 at a better pay rate (for me that's about 87 at the old rate). And during the heavy fly months you'll make more. A lot of guys fail to realize that during a month where they use you every day, your pay CREDIT is the same under current book, TA1, TA2 and yes the latest TA.

 

[Muppets]

Ya....at 87% I bet they are hard to find, there are only 200 of us. I said it once...I will say it again. If our pilot group honestly thinks the NMB walked into a room a said they are going to "park" us if we dont agree to this TA then we are a gullible bunch. The union wanted this shoved through so they used scare tactics of "this or nothing" and we bought it.

 

[Muppets]

Reserves losing pay Muppets? Another person that doesn't understand the system. You'll make MORE during the slow months since you'll get 78 vice 70 at a better pay rate (for me that's about 87 at the old rate). And during the heavy fly months you'll make more. A lot of guys fail to realize that during a month where they use you every day, your pay CREDIT is the same under current book, TA1, TA2 and yes the latest TA.

And when was the last time a reserve at our company credited 70 hours? On a heavy month most hover around 100 hours credit, and fly 65- 70 hours. Is there a slow month here on reserve for the 717....havent seen one yet.

 

[jonjuan]

Man, the wn guys are gonna be even more P.O'd when the sli is relative.