AirTran TA

[27 driver]

This is all moot. You will have SWA's contract within the next few months. There won't be a B-Scale. Stop going CRAZY! Chillax!

I get the feeling it will be more like 18 months to 2 years. Just saying.

 

[StopNTSing]

We kinda need our MEC and NC for the whole merger thingy. Not very wise to have your union further bogged down in negotiations when you are getting aquired. That was my main reasone for a yes vote. Also it is probably the last chance at getting any money

Funny, that exact same line of thinking is about to bring -800s on the property over here in exchange for basically.....nothing! Oh silly me, I forgot--we do get a 1 year contract extension out of the deal. :angryfire

SL6=NO!

 

[jonjuan]

I get the feeling it will be more like 18 months to 2 years. Just saying.

What are you saying-no really?

 

[luv2fly]

I get the feeling it will be more like 18 months to 2 years. Just saying.

Or ever. Just saying.

 

[CatfishVT9]

You are wrong about the pay my friend. I won't make and extra dime for the next 6 months until I hit my longevity raise. My pay will be flat until then. As a reserve guy for 3 years I have never flown more than 70 hrs in a month. On average I won't be losing pay but I sure wont be getting a raise for a few months.

Huh? You've never had CREDIT above 70? I'm not buying that. It's still based on credit of day guarantee or block time if greater for any assignment. The difference is that you start from zero instead of 70. The difference now is that a day where they DON'T use you is zero credit time vice 3.5 hrs. If they use you every day, the new system will look just like the old.

And I've been a reserve guy for 3-1/2 years.

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't think anyone voted yes without holding their nose. Most think that we would not get another bite of the apple.

Oh, your status rep MH seems to think it's a good deal; no, wait, make that a great deal. He's flogging that thing like a rented mule. He's such a dumbass that he think we're the stupid ones.

He needs to be recalled. Maybe now that the TA is over we can get rid of him before he has the opportunity to do further damage.

I held my nose and voted no.


TW

 

[Max Powers]

Oh, your status rep MH seems to think it's a good deal; no, wait, make that a great deal. He's flogging that thing like a rented mule. He's such a dumbass that he think we're the stupid ones.

He needs to be recalled. Maybe now that the TA is over we can get rid of him before he has the opportunity to do further damage.

I held my nose and voted no.


TW

I voted yes...It brought us up to our peers and past some. The problem with the few no voters is that they, as captains, were already near their peers so they had less of an up move in comparison to our FOs. The problem lies in the fact that many pilots are short sighted and can't see the agreement as a whole. These same short sighted pilots have no clue to what it takes to negotiate and don't realize the risk vs. reward formula when it comes to fighting for more. Fortunately for us 87% are level headed and realistic.

 

[Ty Webb]

Is that you, Rico?

Most of the CA supported the lion's share of the hourly increases going to the FO's because we knew they had suffered for so long. The election results and polling data prove this is true.

If you don't have the decency to say "thanks" you could at least keep your mouth shut.

 

[scrub]

Hey muppets! yeah its not the best but SWA is a game changer!!!! If you dont like it leave, no one is forcing you to work here!!!!!!

 

[SWA/FO]

but SWA is a game changer

as in WINDFALL....

WINDFALL: an unexpected, unearned, or sudden gain or advantage

 

[redflyer65]

It's like the grandfather that you never liked just died. And he left you 5 million dollars. Before he kicked it, you couldn't stand him, now..not so much.

Now your willing to fight tooth and nail for the full amount. Really shows someones true colors.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you dont like it leave, no one is forcing you to work here!!!!!!

That's what the old VJ Captains used to tell the FO's when they made $25K a year. It was stupid when they said it, and it's even more stupid when you say it.

 

[maxblast72]

You guys are over analyzing the TA way too much. It was a pretty simple choice. There was $52 million sitting on the table ($35 million in first year gains and a $17 million signing bonus pot). The professional negotiators at ALPA (who probably know what the NMB would do better than us) were telling us the chance of release was slim with the SWA merger on the table. Without a chance for release, there was no guarantee the company would come back to the table and offer more than the $52 million. If we didn't believe the ALPA professionals, we might as well get the Teamster card drive going.

But now that the vote is over and the deal has been signed, it is time for the Airtran pilots to stop fighting with each other and focus on the next big project on our plate, a successful integration with SWA. SWAPA and ALPA can either screw this up (like USAir/America West) or turn this into a positive (like Delta/Northwest). I would like to see this done right and watch two successful airlines turn into the potential powerhouse that Gary Kelly keeps describing in his public comments.

 

[maxblast72]

Huh? You've never had CREDIT above 70? I'm not buying that. It's still based on credit of day guarantee or block time if greater for any assignment. The difference is that you start from zero instead of 70. The difference now is that a day where they DON'T use you is zero credit time vice 3.5 hrs. If they use you every day, the new system will look just like the old.

And I've been a reserve guy for 3-1/2 years.

There is still alot of misconception about blocking over 78 hrs versus crediting over 78 hrs (78 being the new guarantee). If Airtran continue to understaff like they have for the last 5 years, reserves working 18 or 19 days per month through the summer will still credit somewhere between 90 and 105 hrs. It is anyone's guess what actual credits will average for reserves during the slow months. My guess is low 80s (with a few unused RR adding 2 hr and recurrent month adding 10 hrs bringing up the average credit).

 

[Empennage]

Funny, that exact same line of thinking is about to bring -800s on the property over here in exchange for basically.....nothing! Oh silly me, I forgot--we do get a 1 year contract extension out of the deal. :angryfire

SL6=NO!

SL6 = NO!!!!! Next!

 

[Uppercrust]

Oh, your status rep MH seems to think it's a good deal; no, wait, make that a great deal. He's flogging that thing like a rented mule. He's such a dumbass that he think we're the stupid ones.

I bet he can write a proper sentence though. At least he is correct in what he thinks.

I held my nose and voted no.

You showed them alright!!

 

[27 driver]

Huh? You've never had CREDIT above 70? I'm not buying that. It's still based on credit of day guarantee or block time if greater for any assignment. The difference is that you start from zero instead of 70. The difference now is that a day where they DON'T use you is zero credit time vice 3.5 hrs. If they use you every day, the new system will look just like the old.

And I've been a reserve guy for 3-1/2 years.

I said that I have never flown more than 70 hrs. I credit on average about 94 hrs. I don't expect to fly more now with the new contract. I will not see a raise until April. That is when 4'th year pay kicks in.

 

[27 driver]

It's like the grandfather that you never liked just died. And he left you 5 million dollars. Before he kicked it, you couldn't stand him, now..not so much.

Now your willing to fight tooth and nail for the full amount. Really shows someones true colors.

Ya I guess we should roll over and just accept whatever you say we deserve. I think I will leave it up to the arbitrator. If they feel the same way you do than I will accept it. Until then not so much.

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

To 27 driver, post deleted due to personal attacks. Watch the personal attacks.

To Ty and others, watch the profanity.

For everyone who doesn't understand why one post was removed and not another, attacking a person who isn't on this board is not against the ToS (Ty's post about MH). Posts attacking EACH OTHER ON THIS BOARD is prohibited.

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[27 driver]

There is still alot of misconception about blocking over 78 hrs versus crediting over 78 hrs (78 being the new guarantee). If Airtran continue to understaff like they have for the last 5 years, reserves working 18 or 19 days per month through the summer will still credit somewhere between 90 and 105 hrs. It is anyone's guess what actual credits will average for reserves during the slow months. My guess is low 80s (with a few unused RR adding 2 hr and recurrent month adding 10 hrs bringing up the average credit).

Max, when I see it I will believe it. I fly about once every 3 weeks now on res. At least I won't be sitting RRR 8 to 10 times a month. I am MCO based and never fly anymore.