Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[roughneck]

PCL,
Please don't let poor legal advice ruin your chance of a great career at SWA.

 

[Max Powers]

I'm bitter? You just don't like my truth in the message. And I don't blame you. Your labeling of self rightous is pointed at the one who brings about real possibilities that you deny to yourself. I am actually trying to help you. But you are unable to see this because of your myopic hope that your seniority is a separate issue from the extreme gains you will be experiencing. Either your big payday is going to lower your seniority or your seniority is going to go away. I only see who has the power in this transaction and it is certainly not with the Airtran pilots. Once again, blame who sold you out. Not me or anyone or anything else.

And by the way, you have won the airline lottery. Congratulations! Now don't blow it.

I can accept that we have a difference of opinion. Can you? Apparently not because you are afraid I speak the truth. And you should be. I say if this goes to arbitration you will likely have less than SWAPA will present. I really hope the best for all pilots.

Is one required to be concerned to be interested?

Bwahahahahah. Get a grip of reality.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,
Please don't let poor legal advice ruin your chance of a great career at SWA.

Roughneck, please just get some legal advice so you can stop making yourself look ignorant. Call your SWAPA reps. I'm sure they'll give the truth rather than some half baked theories cooked up on a message board.

 

[GuppyWN]

PCL,

I think you're a pretty smart guy. Have you called ALPA? I suggest you do.

The fact is that it's not some cooked up message board conspiracy. I know because I HAVE spoken to my union.

Gup

 

[vixin]

I have also. My Rep and a member of the M&A Comm. I suggest PCL make a phone call or two.

 

[PCL_128]

Have you called ALPA?

Yeah, pretty regularly.

 

[PCL_128]

I have also. My Rep and a member of the M&A Comm. I suggest PCL make a phone call or two.

So you're saying that your M&A Committee rep has told you that SWA will try to keep the operations separate if you don't get your way on SLI? Just want to be clear.

 

[shootr]

I think what he's saying is that SWAPA is willing to look into ALL avenues of protecting SWAPA members and maybe SWA has been showing some willingness to help (maybe even in a good way for all).

 

[GuppyWN]

Yeah, pretty regularly.

So you are telling us that ALPA is telling you that this is all a farce and can't possibly happen?

I'm interested in the legal facts. Not what you think or want facts.

Gup

 

[roughneck]

Roughneck, please just get some legal advice so you can stop making yourself look ignorant. Call your SWAPA reps. I'm sure they'll give the truth rather than some half baked theories cooked up on a message board.

I heard Your lawyer was the former USair attorney during their SLI talks and that is why I mentioned what I did about poor legal advice. I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to whether he is a good attorney or not.

 

[roughneck]

So you're saying that your M&A Committee rep has told you that SWA will try to keep the operations separate if you don't get your way on SLI?

I didn't read his post as saying that. I read it as he has talked to his union guys and they told him that what the AirTran guys are saying on this message board is not accurate. i doubt anyone would make a statement like what you suggest. Just my opinion.

 

[ATLplt]

*Ding* Fresh batch of popcorn. A little salt...butter...perfection.

Some of you need to skim over the entire thread and ask yourselves:

What have I gained by arguing over menal menutia with people that may or may not be associated with either airline? Why am I falling for stupid rumors and flamebait? Do I sound like a complete pompous assh0le while doing it?

If you answered "yes" to the last quetion you may be a Southwest pilot. ;-)

I keed! I keed!

 

[PCL_128]

So you are telling us that ALPA is telling you that this is all a farce and can't possibly happen?

Yes, I'm telling you that our contract does not allow for SWA to keep the operations separate for longer than 18 months after the date of corporate closing (assuming the TA passes, which I'm sure that it will).

Ii doubt anyone would make a statement like what you suggest. Just my opinion.

All you have to do is go back and read this thread, and you'll see plenty of SWA pilots making those exact statements, as absurd as they are.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

......

 

[ASADFW7]

PCL is on the ropes what no other Airtran pilots are speaking up to support them?

 

[PCL_128]

PapaW, Tweet-a-Lishus, or whatever you want to call yourself today, you might want to read that merger agreement that you didn't even know existed until I pointed you to it. I suggest that you read sections 3, 5, and 6, as well as the definition of "Effective Time" in section 1. You might learn something.

 

[GuppyWN]

Yes, I'm telling you that our contract does not allow for SWA to keep the operations separate for longer than 18 months after the date of corporate closing (assuming the TA passes, which I'm sure that it will).

So if SWA spins off 51% of Guadalupe Holdings where do you go?

Gup

 

[Cometman]

Yes, I'm telling you that our contract does not allow for SWA to keep the operations separate for longer than 18 months after the date of corporate closing (assuming the TA passes, which I'm sure that it will).

I think SWA has a 24 month limit unless they agree to extend it. So, according to you your contract would be the binding deal on how long SWA can operate 2 seperate companies.

Once the 18 months pass the deal is over? Is that correct? Even though SWAPA syas it is ok to go 24 months.

 

[PCL_128]

Seriously, you guys should really take the time to read the merger agreement. It's not that long, and it contains a lot of information that will help you guys understand how this transaction will actually work. For example, Gup, it might interest you to know that Guadalupe Holdings will not even exist after the effective date of the merger. SWA will immediately cause the merger of AirTran Holdings and Guadalupe Holdings, and AirTran will be the surviving corporation. There is a lot more information about what happens after that, as well. It's all available right in the merger agreement, which no one here has apparently read before making all kinds of declarative statements about what will and could happen. Just read the danged thing.

 

[PCL_128]

I think SWA has a 24 month limit unless they agree to extend it. So, according to you your contract would be the binding deal on how long SWA can operate 2 seperate companies.

Once the 18 months pass the deal is over? Is that correct? Even though SWAPA syas it is ok to go 24 months.

The more restrictive agreement would be binding in this case, which would be the 18 month limitation in our CBA, unless ALPA were to agree to extend that limit, which would require membership ratification.