The Jetblue ALPA drive has officially started

[coogebeachhotel]

You know, a union is not a bad organization when there is an honest effort made to negotiate terms on both sides. Our management has no desire to see a union on the property-- do you think a marriage forced upon these guys is going to be an amicable one? Everything will be on the table and there will be no desire on our management's part to make things easy... I can care less, I'm senior enough to know my outcome will be ok. However, for all you junior folks out there-- don't be surprised when the E-190 flying goes to Republic... or the shuttle bus to Kew is taken away, or DH pay becomes 50% or pay protection goes away... don't be surprised if the economy dips into another recession and we start negotiating during that time period and we get a concessionary contract... There are those who say that pay and benefits are not high on the list but merger and acquisition protection is-- I hear you, but there are thousands of pilots out on the street in furlough status or saw their jobs disappear (Midwest/TWA/ATA/Frontier LINK/Comair) because the companies decided their seats weren't needed anymore.

Jetblue is different, unique-- we've made it 10 years without a union in the entire airline. My gut feeling is that ALPA will be the great beginning-- the beginning of the end of Jetblue as we know it.

Blue where do come up with this garbage?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

I can care less, I'm senior enough to know my outcome will be ok. QUOTE]

Way to look out for your fellow pilots. Guess what........it's not all about YOU!

 

[JBass]

Yes, It would be horrible if we lost that Kew Shuttle Bus! Not...

 

[Raoul Duke]

Yes. I am seriously blaming the company. Industry average cost split is 80/20. I will pay a 37% share next year. It's not Obama...it's Barger.

How do youknow the split is changing? I would bet that the overall costs of the plan increased and that the split staye the same. Basically you get to insure yourself and someone else who you have never met and probably would not like

 

[clickclickboom]

You mean we are going to lose the shuttle bus that we are CHARGED to use????????????????????????

What a fool. I have flown with the clueless guys like Blue Bayou

They live in this little perfect world happy with their 200k pay check because afterall it is " GOOD ENOUGH " to support thier little clueless microcasm.

they dont want any change beause they could care less about anybody else below them.

Dont know, dont care, my life is great, do the crossword puzzle and throw the rest away, all the while spewing forth FUD that is fed into their simple
brains from top like loss of shuttle buses, flica alerts, or dh pay

The dog and pony show is over guys and gals.. The Direct Relationship has FAILED because it is a flat out lie. EVERYBODY needs to make a sacrifice so we can negotiate our new contract. All we ever asked for from our management team was industry average all the while giving them unprecedented efficiencies that nearly no other pilot group can offer.

That wasnt good enough for them. They gave us a raise, took it all back through their FSM and efficiencies and have left us below our peers. Shame on them and shame on us

 

[Splert]

How do youknow the split is changing? I would bet that the overall costs of the plan increased and that the split staye the same. Basically you get to insure yourself and someone else who you have never met and probably would not like

How much do you wanna bet? I say $10,000.00.

If you work for JetBlue then email the CBC or call Dave I. or anyone on the CBC and they will tell you that the Plus Plan will be 37% and the split was less last year and that was after the company agreed it would be 25%.

That is how we know.

 

[St. Nic]

Blue Bayou is totally right on this- ALPO is a disease that does nothing except take your dues and give It to Prater. jBlue doesn't need ALpO

 

[MD80DRVR]

You know, a union is not a bad organization when there is an honest effort made to negotiate terms on both sides. Our management has no desire to see a union on the property-- do you think a marriage forced upon these guys is going to be an amicable one? Everything will be on the table and there will be no desire on our management's part to make things easy... I can care less, I'm senior enough to know my outcome will be ok. However, for all you junior folks out there-- don't be surprised when the E-190 flying goes to Republic... or the shuttle bus to Kew is taken away, or DH pay becomes 50% or pay protection goes away... don't be surprised if the economy dips into another recession and we start negotiating during that time period and we get a concessionary contract... There are those who say that pay and benefits are not high on the list but merger and acquisition protection is-- I hear you, but there are thousands of pilots out on the street in furlough status or saw their jobs disappear (Midwest/TWA/ATA/Frontier LINK/Comair) because the companies decided their seats weren't needed anymore.

Jetblue is different, unique-- we've made it 10 years without a union in the entire airline. My gut feeling is that ALPA will be the great beginning-- the beginning of the end of Jetblue as we know it.

Are you serious?

When we get bought, stapled and furloughed I'll remind you how short sighted you were. I don't believe one bit that the McCaskill-Bond legislation covers us with our B.S. individual contracts (Of course management says it does). We need a contract yesterday to insure we are treated fairly WHEN we get purchased.:beer:

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Are you serious?

When we get bought, stapled and furloughed I'll remind you how short sighted you were. I don't believe one bit that the McCaskill-Bond legislation covers us with our B.S. individual contracts (Of course management says it does). We need a contract yesterday to insure we are treated fairly WHEN we get purchased.:beer:

That would be a management paid lawyer says it does......

 

[dalad]

Yawn......I'm at Delta and have never heard of these monkeys......

It's a handful of whining NWA types who didn't get their way when they named the airline.......99 percent of the NWA family are good peeps so don't jump on me.........

oooooo Bayou....big things happening at Delta.....whatever!!

Bill, I'm an RD who supports this drive. ALPA has seen it's best days-I want a union that is dedicated to the Delta pilots only. I could go on and on with the reasons-compensation to the people at the top, etc.

 

[aewanabe]

If the company takes away things just because we are attempting to organize, it really tells you all you need to know about our so-called "values". PSIA on healthcare is the pilot pays about 23 percent of the cost; the company came right out and told the CBC that they have no intent to bring us in line with our peers. Which of our values is that one in line with, BB?

 

[vetrider]

Are you serious?

When we get bought, stapled and furloughed I'll remind you how short sighted you were. I don't believe one bit that the McCaskill-Bond legislation covers us with our B.S. individual contracts (Of course management says it does). We need a contract yesterday to insure we are treated fairly WHEN we get purchased.:beer:

ALPO will be no help. They'll ******************** you in a New York second. At first, you may find comfort, but before you know it you'll be on your own footing your own bills.

 

[thruthemurk]

ALPO will be no help. They'll ******************** you in a New York second. At first, you may find comfort, but before you know it you'll be on your own footing your own bills.

They? They? Uh, OK..

 

[vetrider]

They? They? Uh, OK..

Yes, they they they. You're not familiar with how ALPO tried to throw AWA pilots under the bus. Rice comitte, wye river etc. ALPO TRIED to bend us over. Only when it was obvious usapa was going to be born did ALPO do it's job. The West tried and tried to get ALPO to follow through with it's own merger policy without interjecting its biases and predjudices, all to no avail.

Guess who is funding and looking after AWA pilots interests now? Yep, we we we, or us us us if you prefer. ALPO will not do right by you, unless it's convenient.

Go ahead, vote em in, it's up to you.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

You just cited exactly why guys like YOU are the problem...

Have you ever flown with me? Becuase the last thing I am is someone who doesn't care about you. My message to the junior folks is that at my seniority level, the union you talk about is going to take care of me. I should be one of the biggest supporter of this ALPA effort, but I'm not-- sorry you're not going to change history... Just look at what ALPA has done in the last 10 years-- I know they've been instrumental for what we have now, but where were they when pilots needed them most these past few years... Standing in the corner, licking their wounds to "fight another day"...

Read the latest JTP from Dave Barger lately? You think our management is going to be eager to sit across from us and negotiate everything better than what we have now? What are we willing to give up in order to get what we want in our first contract? Hey, the shuttle bus is a funny one, but you didn't laugh-- It's my way of spelling out that anything and everything is on the table...Because that is a negotiated process, a give and take-- not just take, take, take...Be mindful of what you wish for...That's all I ask...

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Have you ever flown with me? Becuase the last thing I am is someone who doesn't care about you. My message to the junior folks is that at my seniority level, the union you talk about is going to take care of me. I should be one of the biggest supporter of this ALPA effort, but I'm not-- sorry you're not going to change history... Just look at what ALPA has done in the last 10 years-- I know they've been instrumental for what we have now, but where were they when pilots needed them most these past few years... Standing in the corner, licking their wounds to "fight another day"...

Read the latest JTP from Dave Barger lately? You think our management is going to be eager to sit across from us and negotiate everything better than what we have now? What are we willing to give up in order to get what we want in our first contract? Hey, the shuttle bus is a funny one, but you didn't laugh-- It's my way of spelling out that anything and everything is on the table...Because that is a negotiated process, a give and take-- not just take, take, take...Be mindful of what you wish for...That's all I ask...

Thankfully you're in the very small minority at JB. Get used to the idea of ALPA, because it is coming, and right soon.

 

[twobits]

It's not really what ALPA has done in the last decade; more of what management has done to degrade our careers with us silently agreeing. ALPA quickly is getting the upper hand. It isn't perfect, but certainly the best thing out there! More resources are available going through ALPA opposed to going in house. Good luck guys; hopefully, the nay-sayers will realize it is in their best interest.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Have you ever flown with me? Becuase the last thing I am is someone who doesn't care about you. My message to the junior folks is that at my seniority level, the union you talk about is going to take care of me. I should be one of the biggest supporter of this ALPA effort, but I'm not-- sorry you're not going to change history... Just look at what ALPA has done in the last 10 years-- I know they've been instrumental for what we have now, but where were they when pilots needed them most these past few years... Standing in the corner, licking their wounds to "fight another day"...

Read the latest JTP from Dave Barger lately? You think our management is going to be eager to sit across from us and negotiate everything better than what we have now? What are we willing to give up in order to get what we want in our first contract? Hey, the shuttle bus is a funny one, but you didn't laugh-- It's my way of spelling out that anything and everything is on the table...Because that is a negotiated process, a give and take-- not just take, take, take...Be mindful of what you wish for...That's all I ask...

Blue my buddy, I don't know why you are wasting your time flying the line when a man of your talent and intellect belongs in the management suite with guys like me.

Your anti-union preachings are music to my ears. Obviously you are a guy who "gets it".

If you succeed in stopping this ridiculous union drive at JetBlew, I will have Dave secure you a generous bone-us.

If it fails, I'll see to it that you are extended an offer to represent the company at the bargaining table. You can make the line swine negotiate for the TSA style flying shirts they already have. We'll have a ball!

 

[vetrider]

Hey Frank, usapa outdid you buddy. Have you ever sued anyone in federal court under RICO for a web post? Didn't think so. Have you ever thought of approaching usapa for an internship? You could probably get your ban lifted, and with your graduate education in place work your way back into the industry and do a better job than you did in 83.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

It's not really what ALPA has done in the last decade; more of what management has done to degrade our careers with us silently agreeing. ALPA quickly is getting the upper hand. It isn't perfect, but certainly the best thing out there! More resources are available going through ALPA opposed to going in house. Good luck guys; hopefully, the nay-sayers will realize it is in their best interest.

Yup, and all management has to do is hit the reset button (Chptr 11) to negate all you've negotiated for years and years.... (UAL, NWA, DAL, TWA, CONT, FRONTIER, MESA are there more? uhuh..)... Didn't DAL ask their pilots for a billion in concessions to keep them out of CH11-- and then went CH11!!!! Last I recall, JB has not asked for one concession during tough times or even furloughed one pilot-- yet...(although I'm sure someone will spin the health care costs as concessionary). I'm sorry, ALPA is the UAW of the airline industry... Can't and won't support it...