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NTSB investigating near-collision between US Airways jet, little cargo plane


11:35 AM Thu, Sep 23, 2010 | Permalink
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A US Airways A320 jet and a little cargo airplane came uncomfortably close to each other at Minneapolis-St. Paul on Thursday evening, Sept. 16, and the National Transportation Safety Board is now investigating. According to an NTSB advisory, the US Airways flight and a Bemidji Aviation Services cargo airplane took off on parallel runways early in the evening, with US Airways on the right runway and the Bemidji airplane on the left. An air traffic controller directed the US Airways flight to turn left immediately after departure. That put the flight on a near-collision course with the cargo airplane, a half mile past the end of the runway."Neither pilot saw the other aircraft because they were in the clouds, although the captain of the US Airways flight reported hearing the Beech 99 pass nearby," the NTSB said.
"Estimates based on recorded radar data indicate that the two aircraft had 50 to 100 feet of vertical separation as they passed each other approximately 1500 feet above the ground," it said. How close is that? The Beech 99, a twin-engine turboprop airplane, has a wingspan of 45 feet. The Airbus is 123 feet long. The Beech, headed for La Crosse, Wis., was occupied by a single pilot. The Philadelphia-bound US Airways flight had two pilots, three flight attendants and 90 passengers.

Said the NTSB:
"The US Airways aircraft was equipped with a Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) that issued climb instructions to the crew to avert collision. The Beech 99 was not equipped with TCAS and the pilot was unaware of the proximity of the Airbus. There were no reports of damage or injuries as a result of the incident."NTSB and FAA investigators conducted a preliminary investigation at the Minneapolis airport traffic control tower on Sept. 18 and 19 and are continuing to review the circumstances of this incident."
 
I just saw a report where the tower asks the 99 pilot, "why didn't you start the turn once you were airborne?", the resopnse, "sorry about that".

The transcript shows that a controller told the cargo plane before takeoff that he should turn due south after takeoff. Two minutes later, the controller asks the pilot if he was in his turn. The pilot asked for a repeat. Portions of what followed were garbled, but then the controller asked:"OK, um, why didn't you start the turn once you were airborne?" "Well, (garbled) ... sorry about that," the cargo pilot replied. On another frequency with a different controller, the pilot of the US Airways jet asks, "What's this guy doing on our left side?" The controller replied it appeared that the Beech 99 had climbed straight out from the runway instead of turning. A few minutes later the controller said he would have the tower supervisor call the US Airways pilot and tell him what happened, according to the transcript provided by LiveATC.net.
 
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Capt on that flight is a 1986 hire that is now a Capt again. On the Nic he is placed below a 1999 AWA First Officers. It was a PHL crew.

M
 
Capt on that flight is a 1986 hire that is now a Capt again. On the Nic he is placed below a 1999 AWA First Officers. It was a PHL crew.

M

This is relevant because . . . .
 
Capt on that flight is a 1986 hire that is now a Capt again. On the Nic he is placed below a 1999 AWA First Officers. It was a PHL crew.

M

I wondered if this would turn into "mesa sucks," or "east v. West." I have my answer.

P. S. My WEST friends can beat up all the geriatric easties.
 
Capt on that flight is a 1986 hire that is now a Capt again. On the Nic he is placed below a 1999 AWA First Officers. It was a PHL crew.

M


...and what the "Doosh" conviently forgets to mention is that the 1986 hire at USAir is at the same relative position on his old USAir seniority list as the 1999 hire at AWA is on his old AWA seniority list. The sooner these fools realize the difference between longevity and seniority , and that longevity at one's own airline does not a senior pilot make, then and only then will we be able to get a pay raise. Until then look's like it's gonna be lowest paid to the last day, eh, boys ?


PHXFLYR
 
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Capt on that flight is a 1986 hire that is now a Capt again. On the Nic he is placed below a 1999 AWA First Officers. It was a PHL crew.

M


Ah, yes .... a PHL crew .

Real "men of genius "......:rolleyes:



PHXFLYR
 
Expertly handled by an east crew- just like New York. I am so proud of my colleages!
 
Expertly, how? They just got lucky. I'm really glad no one was hurt. I want to know if the Beach 99 pilots read back his immediate left turn instructions. If not, then the controller should have mandated a readback. If he did, then he almost killed a bunch of people by not following through.
 
Expertly, how? They just got lucky. I'm really glad no one was hurt. I want to know if the Beach 99 pilots read back his immediate left turn instructions. If not, then the controller should have mandated a readback. If he did, then he almost killed a bunch of people by not following through.

My thoughts exactly, well said..
 
Hugh Johnson wrote:

I call bull crap that he heard the plane go by.

On the contrary... I hear planes at the upper altitudes go over us sometimes and we have 1000 feet separation. Granted I have to be above about FL370 and I have noise cancelling headsets. But it's a E190 and it's not a quiet cockpit.

These guys were close... I'm sure one of them heard the other...

Tailhookah​
 

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