Comair is done

[on autopilot]

Just started a thread so that everyone may express thier feeling to what has happened at Comair. As you all know, Delta has let the axe fall, unemploying thousand of aviation professionals, many of whom I got to know personally while at Comair.

My heart goes out to all of you, but use it as a motivator to try something else- and unemployment is pretty good right know, so maybe some college work, etc might be good.

Hey feel free to post away, and rants against R. A. are encouraged.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Just started a thread so that everyone may express thier feeling to what has happened at Comair. As you all know, Delta has let the axe fall, unemploying thousand of aviation professionals, many of whom I got to know personally while at Comair.

My heart goes out to all of you, but use it as a motivator to try something else- and unemployment is pretty good right know, so maybe some college work, etc might be good.

Hey feel free to post away, and rants against R. A. are encouraged.

I'm sad for everyone. I'm kind of blind-sided right now so all I can think of is what is next. I feel especially bad for my husband. His passion is flying. That's all he's ever wanted. He got shot down by Delta and Continental a few years ago. Delta said you get one shot interview and that's it.

If they offer voluntary furloughs first, are unemployment benefits extended if you volunteer to be furloughed first? I would volunteer if it helped my fellow f/as but would need unemployment, COBRA in the process.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I have to question why just cut the fleet to 44 airplanes? At this point it just makes your cost to operate those aircraft even higher. Why not just end it?

I feel for all the comair guys. I spent 3 pretty bad years there so I know how this feels. The pull down wont start for several months and then over a 2 year period so hopefully those who want to move on will be able to do so. Good Luck.

 

[buscap]

I have to question why just cut the fleet to 44 airplanes? At this point it just makes your cost to operate those aircraft even higher. Why not just end it?

I believe they are getting them more attractive for a future sale. Folks running the company are most likely looking at huge bonuses if they manage to pull off the "rightsizing" while maintaining performance.

Delta wanted to lose 50 seaters and they are the easiset target.

Who knows, really? Comair could come out ahead with growth or they could just be sold or they could just plain vanish. What a shame.

 

[crj567]

Yep-

It is sad to see this sort of thing happen. Just goes to show what classless mgmt mainline has these days. It is very unfortunate-and all around the entire system, people have been outsourced-at many different carriers.

RA is trying to wring as much as he can from all the regionals-just bringing them down to shoestring operations with razor-thin profit margins. As soon as mainline pilots are getting into negotiations, mgmt will try and sling as much flying as possible to all the much-cheaper regionals. You can bet they are really drooling over the proposition of getting massive amounts of domestic under the much-cheaper connection umbrella.

This mgmt is different from anything DAL has had before-you guys really need to watch what is going down at Comair and take note-do not believe for a second that mgmt is trying to make pals with you-they will do whatever they can to hose you next. These guys play hard ball-and you will eventually wind up taking it up the pooper just like the regionals are right now.

 

[buscap]

crj57...do you mean "leave the armchair quarterbacking to the losers"...as opposed to loosers?

Or am I just missing some really ironic joke?

I just gotta know. It reads to your credibility.

 

[crj567]

crj57...do you mean "leave the armchair quarterbacking to the losers"...as opposed to loosers?

Or am I just missing some really ironic joke?

I just gotta know. It reads to your credibility.

I use that as my signature line because it is a classic quote I pulled from some erudite FI Poster. I can't remember who the heck it is from, but hell-given the level of intelligence around here, about 85% of the people on this board are possible candidates.

-Bunch of LOOSERS!

 

[LazyLightnin']

I use that as my signature line because it is a classic quote I pulled from some erudite FI Poster. I can't remember who the heck it is from, but hell-given the level of intelligence around here, about 85% of the people on this board are possible candidates.

-Bunch of LOOSERS!

It was that moron CX880.. That guy really needs to get back on his Ritalin

 

[makersmarc]

A certain Mark Twain quote comes to mind.

While I am a pilot at Comair, I will try for a moment to think as a dispassionate observer.

Delta is playing the Comair card brilliantly. While they could have sold Comair to Skywest, they set the terms too high and it just wasn't an attractive deal for Skywest. They will use Comair as a foil to drive costs even further down at other regional carriers. Comair wasn't sold because they are worth more to Delta as part of their ongoing strategy to reduce costs across the board.

I predict (and please don't beat me up for this) that all three unions at Comair will take concessionary contracts. Yes, there will be some loud proclamations of "full pay to the last day," but in the end given the choice of making $85,000 as a Captain or $36,000 as an FO most will choose the former.

This is what it is all about: driving costs down, and not just at Comair.

Coming soon, to an airline near you!

 

[inthepool]

Very sorry to hear this news for the Comair guys. I've always respected the Comair pilot group. Perhaps it's little consolation to most of you, but we are hiring here at Eagle. It's the best help I can offer other than some well wishes. Good luck.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

A certain Mark Twain quote comes to mind.

While I am a pilot at Comair, I will try for a moment to think as a dispassionate observer.

Delta is playing the Comair card brilliantly. While they could have sold Comair to Skywest, they set the terms too high and it just wasn't an attractive deal for Skywest. They will use Comair as a foil to drive costs even further down at other regional carriers. Comair wasn't sold because they are worth more to Delta as part of their ongoing strategy to reduce costs across the board.

I predict (and please don't beat me up for this) that all three unions at Comair will take concessionary contracts. Yes, there will be some loud proclamations of "full pay to the last day," but in the end given the choice of making $85,000 as a Captain or $36,000 as an FO most will choose the former.

This is what it is all about, driving costs down, and not just at Comair.

Coming soon, to an airline near you!

If everyone takes concessions, does that mean no furloughs?

 

[makersmarc]

If everyone takes concessions, does that mean no furloughs?

It's a negotiation. Delta wants us to work for free. We don't want to work for free. It's in the middle somewhere. I'm sure that if we make the deal of the century with Delta (we have a shill management called "Comair") they won't furlough anyone. Why would they? They aren't getting rid of ALL of their 50 seat lift, and if we agree to work significantly cheaper than other carriers guess where all that flying goes?

I think that more than anything Delta wants to use us as leverage.

 

[Broke in CVG]

If everyone takes concessions, does that mean no furloughs?

no. It means furloughs AND pay cuts.

 

[B727FA]

If everyone takes concessions, does that mean no furloughs?

Nope...they're still going to remove the airframes.

 

[makersmarc]

Nope...they're still going to remove the airframes.

That's as of today.

Remember, negotiations may begin as early as October 2nd.

 

[JECKEL]

The letter put out by the Comair MEC this morning implies, slightly, that this isn't over yet. And they may be partially right.

If the Comair pilot group were to agree to huge concessions they just might save a few airframes. Maybe 10 to 15, but the vast majority those are slated to leave will do so on schedule.

 

[silver02ex]

Today was the first time I was in CVG in almost 2 years. The last time I was here I parked at the NWA gates. Now CVG is not what I remember it. It's sad to hear about this news today. I wish you all Comair guys the best.

 

[Baronman]

The letter put out by the Comair MEC this morning implies, slightly, that this isn't over yet. And they may be partially right.

If the Comair pilot group were to agree to huge concessions they just might save a few airframes. Maybe 10 to 15, but the vast majority those are slated to leave will do so on schedule.

Aren't they already under a concessionary contract? Just from the looks of it (on APC) they don't get 100% DH pay, their salaries look so-so, matching is so-so, per diem also.....How much more can they cut?

 

[agonyairfo]

This is not about concessions. This is not about the strike either. This is about Delta trying to lose lots of "unwanted" 50s. We are the only place they can take them from penalty free. I think that is it. Now I am not saying they won't try to also get concessions out of this. They will. The memo alludes (elludes? whatever. deal with it! Mitt's going to question my intelligence.) to that fact. I do think that Delta sees definite "bonuses" in all of this.

1. We happen to have the oldest 50s.
2. We have the most senior/highest pay roll (easy there! ...relatively speaking)
3. They can sleep better by telling themselves we did it to ourselves during the strike.
4. They can look like they are really tough on unions. "You want some of the Comair treatment too!?"

This was going to happen period. We could/should say we will offer them %50 off on all pay rates if we can keep all the a/c. They would go out in the hallway and not have a freaking clue what to do next. Because those aircraft are going away period and we all know it. The only hope is that not as many or not as soon. I for one won't give up a penny just to prolong the inevitable a few months. This is just "business." Save a few bucks while you can and try to get a job while your "current."

Good luck everyone

 

[DX Rick]

It's a negotiation. Delta wants us to work for free. We don't want to work for free. It's in the middle somewhere. I'm sure that if we make the deal of the century with Delta (we have a shill management called "Comair") they won't furlough anyone. Why would they? They aren't getting rid of ALL of their 50 seat lift, and if we agree to work significantly cheaper than other carriers guess where all that flying goes?

I think that more than anything Delta wants to use us as leverage.

Comair is already making less than SKW and ASA pilots. If they really wanted to sell us, they could have when the two other sales happened.
My question is "Why release this info now?" It's not going to start until 2nd QTR in 2011. Is it management trying to keep us up to date with all the latest info? I don't think so Tim.
My predictions :
-Another round of early buy outs.
-Possibly voluntary furloughs for higher seniority numbers.
-Former Freedom DO....now expect Freedom wages.