Looks like CAL/UAL MECs want the RJs

[79%N1]

Are you a Skywest pilot?

No....

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Pay Your Dues

The flying will go to whomever pays the most DUES!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No....

Keep in mind.. the regionals are vendors... just like companies that provide fuel... regionals provide lift.... that lift is part of relaxed scope... it is what it is.... When regionals get expensive, they themselves get outsourced....

If a someone wants to be a pilot the most likely course is the regionals...

In this free market, is a pilot group obligated to secure employment of others? Having said that.... those who are ALPA regional carriers can have a dialog with ALPA legacy carriers to secure preferential interviews or even employment.....

 

[Kaman]

I still say that none of this bodes well for pilots at the regional level. Anyone with more than 5 years of seniority would have a lot to lose in if this plan were to come to fruition. Obviously, the majority of us would want to be at major because that is where the pay, benefits, etc...are superior to what we have at a regional.
There are other ways around this if the justification is safety and standardization, however this costs money...LOTS of money from a training/flight standards perspective. I don't believe that this proposal is under the auspices of trying to achieve a true "single-level of safety" that is a tenet of both ALPA and also government (FAA policy). At least this is what both organizations like to say to the press and flying public. Anyone that truly believes that is naive at best and stupid at worst. "single-level of safety" is a myth.
What this all about is the reality facing the piloting profession in the United States and where most of the flying has been heading, the "regional" (this moniker is also obsolete given they mainline routes now). Now that "Open Skies" has become law, we face the very real possibility of cabotage or the so-called "6th freedom" under the Bermuda II agreement (I think that is correct) that defines what a flag carrier can and cannot do.
After all is said and done...2012 age 65 retirement spike flattens, what is going to be left is a whole lot LESS mainline jobs. So, cabotage, open-skies, reduction of capacity, reduction of jobs, etc...Is putting pressure on ALPA to re-trench and cater to the pilots that pay the most dues and butter their bread. I support ALPA and am an ALPA member, but I am learning more and more that irregardless of what propoganda comes out of national. ALPA is geared toward the legacies. They have a lot of work to do to convince many of us in the dregs of aviation otherwise. They want all the protections, all the security of maintaining their position. As we simply called it in the military, "a rice bowl issue"...

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[ohplease!]

Keep in mind.. the regionals are vendors... just like companies that provide fuel... regionals provide lift.... that lift is part of relaxed scope... it is what it is.... When regionals get expensive, they themselves get outsourced....

If a someone wants to be a pilot the most likely course is the regionals...

In this free market, is a pilot group obligated to secure employment of others? Having said that.... those who are ALPA regional carriers can have a dialog with ALPA legacy carriers to secure preferential interviews or even employment.....

That's all fine...take back all the flying and the planes but, bring the crews with them in their current positions. Put up fences to protect QOL issues on both sides.

If mainline mgt can make $$$ with current regional pay rates and work rules, they can make $$$ with those planes and crews added onto the"bottom" of their list. Even with the current crews at their current rates...

It's a win-win-win. No more mainline furloughs, no regional crews furloughed, and mgt continues to make $$$$ ( maybe even more if they shed the added cost of regional mgt and operating expenses )....oh yeah, eventually, all the flying will return to is rightful place......mainline.....and oh yeah ( take 2 ), add those 7000 regional pilots to the 10000 or so mainline pilots ( now pulling in the SAME direction TOGETHER! ) and I'd say we'd have some pretty good opportunities to change the future of this career positively for the first time in quite a while...

Or, we can all keep acting the punky kids in the sand box grabbing at every toy in site screaming mine, mine, mine

I'm just sayin'

 

[Kaman]

That's all fine...take back all the flying and the planes but, bring the crews with them in their current positions. Put up fences to protect QOL issues on both sides.

If mainline mgt can make $$$ with current regional pay rates and work rules, they can make $$$ with those planes and crews added onto the"bottom" of their list. Even with the current crews at their current rates...

It's a win-win-win. No more mainline furloughs, no regional crews furloughed, and mgt continues to make $$$$ ( maybe even more if they shed the added cost of regional mgt and operating expenses )....oh yeah, eventually, all the flying will return to is rightful place......mainline.....and oh yeah ( take 2 ), add those 7000 regional pilots to the 10000 or so mainline pilots ( now pulling in the SAME direction TOGETHER! ) and I'd say we'd have some pretty good opportunities to change the future of this career positively for the first time in quite a while...

Or, we can all keep acting the punky kids in the sand box grabbing at every toy in site screaming mine, mine, mine

I'm just sayin'

I applaud your optimism and outlook for the future, I don't share your view. Not because I don't like it. It's because of the reality in which we fit into the structure of an airline as employees. We are simply put a cost to be controlled , and management isn't going to even begin to consider this unless there is a true benefit from a cost structure perspective. The only way this would be viable from my point of view would be an integration of the seniority lists. There is no way on God's green earth that is going to happen, because you will be hard-pressed to see any mainline guy willingly being junior to a regional pilot on one list.
I am willing to give it some time and see what this thing looks like when they roll-out a plan. However, my level of trust is at rock-bottom given the shady way I have seen airlines negotiate.

 

[detwilers]

Isn't 2nd year mainline pay fairly close to regional captian pay? Delta 2nd year FO is $75 and 3rd year is like $90hr. CAL/UA have indicated they are getting at least the delta contract if not more. I am only making $72 on an RJ. Please mainline take back the RJ's

 

[whatitdoing?]

Plenty of CAL pilots formerly at ASA and the like who are kicking themselves for getting involved with a scab outfit with ZERO work rules. I've seen the schedules and I'm glad to not be there or furloughed Untied. This is just more SCAB chest pounding.

Sure, there's plenty of former ASA people at CAL that suffered like everyone else for the first few years at CAL. It felt like a cactus being forced up my rectum slowly with no lube. Hurt like hell and I'll have leakage for years to come. But I seriously doubt you'll see anyone leave CAL for greener pastures. Contracts get renewed, people retire, movement happens, and things get better. As bad as it's been, I'd still rather be at a major than a regional.

 

[79%N1]

Isn't 2nd year mainline pay fairly close to regional captian pay? Delta 2nd year FO is $75 and 3rd year is like $90hr. CAL/UA have indicated they are getting at least the delta contract if not more. I am only making $72 on an RJ. Please mainline take back the RJ's

And just what rate do you think you will get at mainline??? Probably less, and WAY LESS when they bring you in at first year pay!

 

[suupah]

I whole heartedly agree with this move. I fully support small airframes to support smaller markets or provide higher frequency to shuttle markets, however, the benefits to the business should be derived through the efficiency of the aircraft being flown or the nature of the market being served and NOT by gutting the quality of life of the employees.