Lynx Q400's

[richav8ter]

Lynx Q400's to stick around( until 04/11 at least). Flights to ASE, DRO and COS. There is nothing like a prop for hot and high work.

 

[SYX328]

Republic to continue Q400 operations

Republic Airways will continue operating Q400s until at least April of 2011.

The plan for continued Q400 operation after Oct. 1 is to incorporate the Lynx operating certificate into that of Republic Airlines. As soon as the certificate-integration process has been completed, Lynx Aviation, along with its operating certificate, will no longer exist, even though Q400s will continue to operate as part of Republic Airlines.

At a high level, the decision to continue Q400 operations means the following:
§ The majority of Lynx employees will have the option of becoming Republic Airlines’ employees when the certificate integration process is complete (expected by late October or November);
§ Lynx customer service agents will become Frontier Airlines employees on Oct. 1 as originally planned;
§ Republic Airlines’ existing management team in Indianapolis will assume the management responsibilities and functions for continued Q400 operations when the certificate-integration process is complete;
§ SOC support for continued Q400 operations will be Indianapolis based, along with most other Q400 support functions, effective around Oct. 1;
§ The ASE station will remain open with one departure per day from Oct. 1 – Nov. 15, two departures per day Nov. 18 – Dec. 15, and three to four daily departures from Dec. 16 through April 2011; and
§ Q400s will generally operate two lines of flying from DEN to ASE, DRO, COS and possibly one other destination.

Relocation assistance will be provided for those Lynx employees who are offered positions within Republic that require them to move. Those employees who opt to be released as originally planned will receive payment under their applicable severance or bonus plan.

 

[CX880]

Does this have anything to do with the fact that they are loosing money?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Does this have anything to do with the fact that they are loosing money?

No,
But is dovetails nicely with the fact that you are a complete moron though!

 

[CX880]

idiot says what?

 

[SF340Guy]

Does this have anything to do with the fact that they are loosing money?

It is impossible to loose money. You can however be losing money, but RJET is not.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Guys stop feeding the trolls!!!

 

[nwa_contrails]

Does this have anything to do with the fact that they are loosing money?

idiot says what?

It. Never. Ever. Fails.


BAHAHAH!

 

[kngarthur]

No,
But is dovetails nicely with the fact that you are a complete moron though!

"your" an idiot!

 

[trip]

How many A/C? doesn't seem they will have a large enough fleet to make it pay. Might be kept around for a possible sale down the road.

 

[GuppyWN]

What happens to the current Lynx pilots?

Gup

 

[freightrash]

What happens to the current Lynx pilots?

Gup

I assume they will get hired as new bottom seniored employees at RW.
but they will get new seniority number once SLI completes, we dont
know when though...

 

[labbats]

Does Republic have new payrates for them if they get rehired then? Last I heard the Lynx captains topped out around $55/hr. Unbelievable.

 

[Popeye0537]

idiot says what?

Idiot says loose...

 

[atpcliff]

They had a mandatory recall about 2 weeks ago.

 

[Axel]

No turboprop CA rates in the current RAH contract. All the CA payscales (such as they are) specify "turbojet." I am guessing that the turboprop CA rates will be part of the amalgamated contract once the SLI award is issued.

FO rates (such as they aren't) just say "all aircraft" in the current contract so we pretty much know what is going to happen there.

 

[CX880]

Idiot says loose...

What is the the spelling nazi? no e dinnt

 

[dougdrvr]

No turboprop CA rates in the current RAH contract. All the CA payscales (such as they are) specify "turbojet." I am guessing that the turboprop CA rates will be part of the amalgamated contract once the SLI award is issued.

FO rates (such as they aren't) just say "all aircraft" in the current contract so we pretty much know what is going to happen there.

So how's that going to work? You have no turboprop rates so, contractually, RAH pilots can't fly the airplanes and the Lynx guys have to wait for the SLI and even then may not be able to hold it if there isn't a fence. Or will you just fly the planes and grieve it later? Very interesting.

 

[StaySeated]

So how's that going to work? You have no turboprop rates so, contractually, RAH pilots can't fly the airplanes and the Lynx guys have to wait for the SLI and even then may not be able to hold it if there isn't a fence. Or will you just fly the planes and grieve it later? Very interesting.

The L4 certificate is going to disappear.

This will not be part of an "amalgamated cba" because the L4 UTU pilots do not have a CBA yet.

The L4 pilots will be new hire RAH pilots, on the YX certificate (this is now Republic Airlines' certificate). Republic, the company, will unilaterally write new rates for the Q.

The IBT will grieve the new rates and lose.

SOP at RAH.

 

[SizzleChest]

If you look at the RAH CBA you will see that they have to meet and negotiate new prop rates. Once that is done, the rate will be retroactive to the start of the flying. Until then there will be an "intro" pay rate, if you will, and i would imagine it the same as the Lynx rates were....

 

[dougdrvr]

If you look at the RAH CBA you will see that they have to meet and negotiate new prop rates. Once that is done, the rate will be retroactive to the start of the flying. Until then there will be an "intro" pay rate, if you will, and i would imagine it the same as the Lynx rates were....

An "intro" rate????????? This sounds like more of the " we're just doing our job" whine. YGTBSM!!!!!!!! What kind of toothless union do you have?

 

[CFI]

If you look at the RAH CBA you will see that they have to meet and negotiate new prop rates. Once that is done, the rate will be retroactive to the start of the flying. Until then there will be an "intro" pay rate, if you will, and i would imagine it the same as the Lynx rates were....

Maybe you should read Article 22 in your contract. Here is part of it for you.

6. Nothing set forth in this Article shall prevent the Company from introducing
a new aircraft type into revenue service before agreement is reached over
the rates applicable to that aircraft, as long as the pay rates assigned to
such aircraft type are not less than the rates provided by this Article or the principal Agreement for aircraft with similar power plant (turboprop or jet) and seat range that either includes the number of seats in the new aircraft type or has a seat range not greater than the number seats in the disputed aircraft. If the aircraft is smaller (less seats) than any other aircraft for which pay scales have been established by this Agreement then, subject to the provisions of this article, the Company will establish a rate for the new aircraft until a negotiated rate has been agreed to by the parties. The negotiated rate will be retroactive to the implementation of the new aircraft type.

 

[cale42]

Maybe you should read Article 22 in your contract. Here is part of it for you.

6. Nothing set forth in this Article shall prevent the Company from introducing
a new aircraft type into revenue service before agreement is reached over
the rates applicable to that aircraft, as long as the pay rates assigned to
such aircraft type are not less than the rates provided by this Article or the principal Agreement for aircraft with similar power plant (turboprop or jet) and seat range that either includes the number of seats in the new aircraft type or has a seat range not greater than the number seats in the disputed aircraft. If the aircraft is smaller (less seats) than any other aircraft for which pay scales have been established by this Agreement then, subject to the provisions of this article, the Company will establish a rate for the new aircraft until a negotiated rate has been agreed to by the parties. The negotiated rate will be retroactive to the implementation of the new aircraft type.

What he said. Read the CBA.. it is available in the downloads section of airlinepilotcentral.com. Crystal clear that a new aircraft must be paid at the seat specific rates already laid out. Anything less is a violation of the CBA.

cale

 

[cale42]

RAH today announced official intentions to put the Q's on the Republic certificate, fence the flying, pay it at a B-scale rate, impose their work rules on it.... oh and even though we will be Republic pilots with Republic seniority numbers we won't be represented by the IBT.

cale

 

[GuppyWN]

Once the SLI is complete they will not have a choice. I know it's hard Cale but legally you aren't ENTITLED to representation until you are "officially" RAH employed.

Your pay will be retro. They come out ahead because they got the time value of money out of you.

Bastards.
Gup

 

[cale42]

No your missing my point Gup. I will be an RAH pilot the day that the Q's transfer to the Republic certificate and the Lynx certificate ceases to exist? Right? I don't know how I can be more officially employed. I will get a Republic employee number and a Republic seniority number. And they are saying at this point we still won't be represented by IBT.

 

[StaySeated]

Once the SLI is complete they will not have a choice. I know it's hard Cale but legally you aren't ENTITLED to representation until you are "officially" RAH employed.

Your pay will be retro. They come out ahead because they got the time value of money out of you.

Bastards.
Gup

This is another prefect example of the IBT choosing when, where, and whom they want to represent, depending on the IBT's own needs. The IBT doesn't care about the individual pilots they "represent", only what the pilot groups can provide to the IBT. It is an incredibly ironic and hypocritical modus operandi for a labor organization, of all things.

The IBT could very easily file a dispute of representation over the lynx pilot group and the lynx pilot group would become IBT members without an election due to the fact that the size of the two pilot groups are not comparable.

This is what the IBT initially did with the Midwest flight attendants. However, the IBT eventually completely changed their argument and later claimed that the Midwest transaction was not a covered transaction and the IBT attempted to leave the Midwest flight attendants out on the street. One day that want to represent you, the next day they don't.

We see a similar strategy here. The Lynx pilots were active on the date of constructive notice, while RAH had pilots still on furlough. Historically speaking, the furloughed pilots have not fared very well in SLI's. If the IBT petitioned to represent the lynx pilots, and the lynx pilots ended up in front of some RAH pilots that were furloughed on the constructive notice date, the IBT would have some problems. Problems are expensive, and the IBT doesn't like to spend money on pilot problems. If the lynx pilots are on their own until the SLI aribitration

The representation dispute filing does not suit the IBT's needs today. However, mark my words, you will definitely see the filing by the IBT in November, when it helps them and only them.

Just to be clear, I am not throwing stones at the IBT pilot membership. This is a specific rant at the IBT as an "organization". They talk out of all sides of their mouth, picking and choosing their battles irregardless of the effects on the pilots they are supposed to be representing.

 

[Livin The Dream]

What's the story with the airplanes? I've seen a couple parked over in GTF, looks like the paint is being stripped off one of the tails, the other is all boarded up ready for winter. Are they decommissioning aircraft out of the system?

 

[GuppyWN]

There are several more in Louisville, Ky.

Boy all I can say is that I'm sorry you are going through this. Your "new" union is not treating you like family and that is wrong. I don't care if there are 1 or 1000 of you the same rules should apply.

Tell them to grow a pair and defend the membership.

Gup

 

[cale42]

We are quickly crossing the line from not treating us like family to dereliction of duty.

In answer to the questions about the airplanes, they are in various stages of being prepared for sale, lease return, or continued line use depending on which one. Long term storage is SDF, engine changes get done in COS and GTF, obviously line planes are in DEN. At any given time you will see a variety of aircraft in all 4 locations.

cale