Where's the resolution JoeMerchant????

[Freebrd]

ok so I goes to the LEC meeting,Joe is there,but never introduces any resolution,or even says anything.whats up wit dat joe?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

+1...

 

[JoeMerchant]

ok so I goes to the LEC meeting,Joe is there,but never introduces any resolution,or even says anything.whats up wit dat joe?

1. That LEC meeting was the day before I started this.

2. I doubt you were really there as I said several things regarding the XJT merger and regarding merger issues.

3. Presently trying to gather support from other ALPA carriers....this will only work if other carriers join in.

4. This particular resolution will only be put forth IF the CMR rumors prove true. Hopefully it won't be needed.

 

[outtahere]

What did I miss, what resolution?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

what did i miss, what resolution?

mesa sucks!

 

[P38JLightning]

Whereas:

mesa sucks!

Therefore be it resolved.


:smash:

 

[enuffalready]

That resolution will get a big no from me.

 

[sniper]

mesa sucks!

ASA sucks moreeeeeeeeeeee

 

[crj567]

1. That LEC meeting was the day before I started this.

2. I doubt you were really there as I said several things regarding the XJT merger and regarding merger issues.

3. Presently trying to gather support from other ALPA carriers....this will only work if other carriers join in.

4. This particular resolution will only be put forth IF the CMR rumors prove true. Hopefully it won't be needed.

This resolution is just Joe's latest attempt to resurrect the damn RJDC. I swear-this guy must have gotten the world's greatest BJ at that original RJDC meeting! Good God, he just will not let that crap die for anything!

 

[CaribPilot]

ASA sucks moreeeeeeeeeeee

You are completely wrong and way off base...Mesa literally lowered the bar as far as pay and QOL for all regional carriers for many many years.

Because of illegal predatory pricing, a good airline (Aloha) is now out of business.

JO is widely accepted as one of the worst CEO's in America.

Not in this world or the next, does ASA suck more than Mesa. I'd rather move to North Korea than work for Mesa.

 

[CFI2766]

1. That LEC meeting was the day before I started this.

2. I doubt you were really there as I said several things regarding the XJT merger and regarding merger issues.

3. Presently trying to gather support from other ALPA carriers....this will only work if other carriers join in.

4. This particular resolution will only be put forth IF the CMR rumors prove true. Hopefully it won't be needed.

Ya' know what... I change my mind. I think this proposal has real merit. It only needs one stipulation for it to really work for everyone: Let's invert the ASA seniority list immediately before we put the Comair guys on the ASA list with DOH for all purposes... #1 is the plug and the plug is #1.

The original proposal clearly demonstrated that seniority wasn't important to Joe; my version of this DOH integration should be an improvement to Joe's scheme. Whadya say?

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Are the Comair f/as going to get integrated too if this happens? I hear nothing on our side of the fence.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

You are completely wrong and way off base...Mesa literally lowered the bar as far as pay and QOL for all regional carriers for many many years.

Because of illegal predatory pricing, a good airline (Aloha) is now out of business.

JO is widely accepted as one of the worst CEO's in America.

Not in this world or the next, does ASA suck more than Mesa. I'd rather move to North Korea than work for Mesa.

You're right as this has been corroborated by many people. Not slamming the Mesa pilots or f/as but JO has hurt them beyond belief. I think that's how all this whipsawing started. Some feel that way about Republic too but don't think they are worse than Mesa. Comair raised the bar for Regional's but also got spanked in the process and then some...

 

[79%N1]

How 'bout ASA integrates EVERY pilot displaced, furloughed or from a now defunct airline! Bring us your tired, your wretched, your poor! We'll take everyone!

Seriously though, if Mesa also loses Delta and/or United flying, and ASA were to receive some of that, are we going to resolve to bring their pilots, too? Just wondering!

 

[Medeco]

Are the Comair f/as going to get integrated too if this happens? I hear nothing on our side of the fence.

Don't worry neither will happen.

 

[FL990]

Joe,

This type of "resolution" would be a death blow to the unity of our pilot group. Not only would the passing of such a proposition result in an instant recall of the MEC/LEC, it would draw a huge dividing line right through the ranks, with a probable majority against this type of thing. While I feel for the Comair folks, there are too many factors involved in there demise for us to share in there fate. What you are proposing would create massive stagnation for our people and severly hinder there QOL.

You are correct though in your implication that the union is not truly a union...

 

[Pasturepilot]

I'll second the motion if it includes the provision to furlough from the top down if we end up overstaffed. If you're so sure it's a great move, put your money where your mouth is. Sorry to be so blunt, but it is what it is. The guys on the bottom are in a tough spot, what with already merging carriers with a 200 guys senior to us on the other side... on furlough.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm sceptical of this provision just based on Joe's history. I haven't forgotten about your attempt to undermine ASA ALPA with your Secretary stunt you pulled a few years ago.

There's more to this than trying to support the Comair pilots. My guess is, it gets voted down, and Joe has more ammo to thump his chest about how ALPA has failed again, and needs to be removed.

 

[Abernathy]

Joe would you support this resolution if it meant you would go back on reserve for the longterm?

 

[Snapperhead]

Joe must go.......away.

 

[Abernathy]

Joe would you support this resolution if it meant you would go back on reserve for the longterm?

Or does this whole plan appeal to
you because it allows you to make
a point at the expense of junior pilots?

 

[crj567]

I'm sceptical of this provision just based on Joe's history. I haven't forgotten about your attempt to undermine ASA ALPA with your Secretary stunt you pulled a few years ago.

There's more to this than trying to support the Comair pilots. My guess is, it gets voted down, and Joe has more ammo to thump his chest about how ALPA has failed again, and needs to be removed.

VERY Good point! Also- Don't forget his second attempt to do this a few years back when negotiations started to get testy. I do believe his was one of the "Fab Five" who were running withe the promise of a new contract in a very short time period! Another clear attempt to hijack our ALPA.

-I don't trust Joe a damn bit! This guy is simply obsessed with the RJDC -and is still trying to hijack the union and turn it into some version of that failed organization. We would be wise to avoid anything Joe suggests-he just makes all of us look like freaks! Were it not for people like him handing so much ammo to haters at mainline, we would all be much better off these days.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Why put all the effort into a shortsighted stunt like this, and just give up on attaining a national seniority list.. Something that would benefit everyone.

 

[crj567]

Why put all the effort into a shortsighted stunt like this, and just give up on attaining a national seniority list.. Something that would benefit everyone.

Because this is clearly the only chance of Joe and his RJDC nutter butters to gain control of our union. I do have my issues with the current MEC, but I would damn sure rather see them be in charge rather than Joe and his turd brigade!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are correct though in your implication that the union is not truly a union...

It never was a "union". It has always been a federation of MECs with thier own budget. If we want a real national union, then change the rules..

If this was done the pilots would complain that thier local agenda was control by a few at the national level... While it may seem that way now... it is no where near where this new level would be...

 

[FightingIrish]

VERY Good point! Also- Don't forget his second attempt to do this a few years back when negotiations started to get testy. I do believe his was one of the "Fab Five" who were running withe the promise of a new contract in a very short time period! Another clear attempt to hijack our ALPA.

-I don't trust Joe a damn bit! This guy is simply obsessed with the RJDC -and is still trying to hijack the union and turn it into some version of that failed organization. We would be wise to avoid anything Joe suggests-he just makes all of us look like freaks! Were it not for people like him handing so much ammo to haters at mainline, we would all be much better off these days.

Listen, I don't agree with this resolution simply because it isn't going to work, but I don't understand the hatred. I've known Joe for a long time, and he honestly thinks there is a better way to run this union.

I talked to him about this issue, and he wants a way to ease into a national seniority list. I simply don't think this union will ever do it.

I do a lot of ALPA work, and Joe is hated and admired by many. This issue doesn't have anything to do with RJDC and he isn't trying to "take over" the union. In fact, he makes a very good case for not decertifying ALPA.

As for handing "ammo to haters at mainline", you need to understand that they hate us no matter what. It doesn't have anything to do with Joe or RJDC. We took their jobs and they don't like us. However they sold those jobs to try and preserve their pay.

 

[FightingIrish]

Why put all the effort into a shortsighted stunt like this, and just give up on attaining a national seniority list.. Something that would benefit everyone.

He wants a national seniority list and sees this as a way to ease into it.

 

[FightingIrish]

It never was a "union". It has always been a federation of MECs with thier own budget. If we want a real national union, then change the rules..

If this was done the pilots would complain that thier local agenda was control by a few at the national level... While it may seem that way now... it is no where near where this new level would be...

That's the problem with ALPA. We are all on our own agenda. It would be nice if we were a "union".

 

[crj567]

Listen, I don't agree with this resolution simply because it isn't going to work, but I don't understand the hatred. I've known Joe for a long time, and he honestly thinks there is a better way to run this union.

I talked to him about this issue, and he wants a way to ease into a national seniority list. I simply don't think this union will ever do it.

I do a lot of ALPA work, and Joe is hated and admired by many. This issue doesn't have anything to do with RJDC and he isn't trying to "take over" the union. In fact, he makes a very good case for not decertifying ALPA.

As for handing "ammo to haters at mainline", you need to understand that they hate us no matter what. It doesn't have anything to do with Joe or RJDC. We took their jobs and they don't like us. However they sold those jobs to try and preserve their pay.

First- They didn't always "hate us no matter what." At some point, we were actually making progress, we were working together. We had many friends at mainline-who wanted to see us all on one list. Then, along came Ford, Lawson, and the freaking RJDC! There is no denying that these people, and this organization made all our friends run the other way!! Were it not for those freaking idiots, we would have come to some sort of place together. Instead, we lost any and all advocates we had at every major carrier, we lost support from within ALPA, and we lost any chance we ever had of getting any progress made TOGETHER.

Joe represents a lot of the bad stuff that made this train run off the track. Joe is still (and always has been) a fervent, rabid RJDC guy. I know it is silly to still call someone an "RJDC guy," but that is exactly what he is... Don't you remember the last time he tried to hijack the union? That was only 3 years ago!

-Joe will never have my support. I know enough about his history to know that I will never be on his side of any issue. The guy is just our own, sad version of Gen Lee.

 

[ASA Captain]

While Joe might mean well, it is completely unworkable to propose something that he and everyone else knows will fail. It will fail because you are taking seniority rights away from someone. Put a senior CMr guy in front of any ASA guy and you will have lawsuits.

A more workable solution might be allowing the CMR guys to keep longevity for pay, but nothing else. This doesn't hurt anyone elses seniority but hurts the company who is trying to "steal" assets out from under working pilots.

I have a feeling Joe might not support this idea because it hampers the company's ability to purchase assets on the cheap and hinders our own growth possibilities. But this is the only way I can see this working. Of course, this idea would require new contract language and the company would fight it, tooth and nail.