Jerry.... Brad... what ya got?

[ASABound]

FSI Grad, your name says it all. yorue probably a 200 hr wonder who has "Shiny Jet Syndrome" You have no clue. do you work for MESA? , btw mesa SUCKS !!

 

[FSIGRAD]

FSI Grad, your name says it all. yorue probably a 200 hr wonder who has "Shiny Jet Syndrome" You have no clue. do you work for MESA? , btw mesa SUCKS !!

What is that about?

Over 10 years in the industry if your really curious.

 

[777forever]

I don't know Jerry or Brad but they seem like two guys at the bar that can't seal the deal. How many airlines have they almost bought? The 500 airplanes in 50 states vision sounds more like cool aid for the troops and not a solid buisness plan. It looks like they have a lot of money but tucking it under the mattress will not grow an airline.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! Excuse me...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!!!!!!

We have a normal everyday pilot questioning a man that built an airline from a tiny Utah regional operator into a billion dollar company with TONS of cash in the bank over 31 years on how to grow an airline! Unbelievable! Who you going to consult next? SWA?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! WHEW! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[JumpersAway]

Sure-the industry has up and downs, but really.... Are you seriously buying this mess about 500 planes? Is anyone really that silly and gullible?

-Whatever, big guy. I guess I'm just a "sour Sally," or maybe I am a "negative Nancy" or a "bad-news Bob," or whatever they may call people like me at the next pep rally. This industry is a complete wreck-it is a mere shadow of what it was just a decade ago.

Please forgive my indiscretions, but I have seen all this "the sky's the limit" stuff before, and I am seeing it again and again-the story grows old..... If you want to get all excited, do a few cartwheels for me, but I'll save my energy. I just can't get fired up with the same old rhetoric and nothing to back it up-again....

Point taken. However, I absolutely see where the industry was 10 years ago (yes, even 25 years ago), and where it is now. It's a totally different landscape- always will be. The "good ole' days" are just gone, but there is some room for money and quality of life up ahead- question is who and where...........

I'm not buying 500 airframes at ASA, not for a second. You've got to see the forest for the trees though. Even IF we merely doubled in size, and ended up with 220+airframes, we'd be doing ok. Especially since you're either growing or dying in this business. Hey- I'll settle for 30 airplanes......but something tells me it will be north of that, in the long run. Can I prove it- NO. Do I dine with JA and BH with the inside scoop on things from rubbing elbows with the "in the know" crowd- NO! However, I do see a parent company with money, and money equals options. Hey, for all I know, we get hit by an asteroid tomorrow, life ends as we know it, and we don't get a single airplane.........

I guess we'll just have to hunker down and wait, won't we? But look at it this way crj567- you will have nothing to bitch about in the future, come the fall. Either flight hours stay up this fall, which is equivilent to growth and all the money you care to make, or the flying falls off, and you get to stare at the walls with nothing to do in October, just as it's been in the past. Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.

When are the first captains hitting the line? What is your effective date?
PM if you want.

 

[crj567]

Point taken. However, I absolutely see where the industry was 10 years ago (yes, even 25 years ago), and where it is now. It's a totally different landscape- always will be. The "good ole' days" are just gone, but there is some room for money and quality of life up ahead- question is who and where...........

I'm not buying 500 airframes at ASA, not for a second. You've got to see the forest for the trees though. Even IF we merely doubled in size, and ended up with 220+airframes, we'd be doing ok. Especially since you're either growing or dying in this business. Hey- I'll settle for 30 airplanes......but something tells me it will be north of that, in the long run. Can I prove it- NO. Do I dine with JA and BH with the inside scoop on things from rubbing elbows with the "in the know" crowd- NO! However, I do see a parent company with money, and money equals options. Hey, for all I know, we get hit by an asteroid tomorrow, life ends as we know it, and we don't get a single airplane.........

I guess we'll just have to hunker down and wait, won't we? But look at it this way crj567- you will have nothing to bitch about in the future, come the fall. Either flight hours stay up this fall, which is equivilent to growth and all the money you care to make, or the flying falls off, and you get to stare at the walls with nothing to do in October, just as it's been in the past. Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.

Well-

I'm not thinking we will all be doomed for eternity. Maybe things will improve sooner rather than later. For every down cycle, there is eventually and up cycle. Things could also get far worse-terrorism remains a very real threat to our industry.

It is just that this down cycle has been absolutely catastrophic for the entire industry. Ten years ago-all the "big plane" guys were making fun of how little SWA pilots made, and how they had to wear funny leather jackets (instead of cool "sub commander" ones.) Those "big plane" guys stopped laughing quite a while ago... Times sure have changed-far more than I ever would have imagined.

Good things can happen. It is just that 500 planes and 50 states will never happen. Anyone who buys that line is a crackhead.

 

[at7driver]

as many have said, yes 500 may be a stretch... best thing is to just roll with the punches. Flying the the big iron is the dream for many but as life goes on and choices made that dream is amended by many. good luck to us all as the changes occur, yes I do believe that we are in for a ride, buckle up.

 

[CX880]

Good things can happen. It is just that 500 planes and 50 states will never happen. Anyone who buys that line is a crackhead.

I'm not a crackhead. Yes the CRJ-200 can make it from California to Hawaii if you only take 0 people with booster tanks. Also I'm pretty sure that the CRJ700 can make it from ATL to ANC under same conditions. 50 states maynot be a stretch. Discuss ASA pilots, discuss

 

[Medeco]

I don't know Jerry or Brad but they seem like two guys at the bar that can't seal the deal. How many airlines have they almost bought? The 500 airplanes in 50 states vision sounds more like cool aid for the troops and not a solid buisness plan. It looks like they have a lot of money but tucking it under the mattress will not grow an airline.

Wow, That takes the cake on ignorance.

$800 million in unrestricted cash and making wise choices is hardly a pair who cant seal the deal.

Medeco

 

[FSIGRAD]

Wow, That takes the cake on ignorance.

$800 million in unrestricted cash and making wise choices is hardly a pair who cant seal the deal.

Medeco

I like the Fruit Punch Cool Aid the best......