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CX880 said:
Who's talking about big RJs? I double checked on airliners.net. The E175 is still a couple of feets shorter than the CRJ-700. We are all cool. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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News flash, you were never cool. Even when you were getting beat up at school, getting wedgies, you were never cool, never will be. Go back to your D&D online with Todd E.the kiddie porn prisoner. Oh wait he is getting his tater streched.
PBR
 
LazyLightnin' said:
The kid who wears a helmet and eats paste tells the new kid in class what's up... You may be right, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.. Shut the hell up, CX880.

Friggin "looser"
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He is at the head of his "class" Special ED, rider of the short bus. Being the smartest kid in the Special ED class means you are the smartest 'tard in the room. CX, mmmmn, boogers and paste, always tasted better with a styrofoam cup on his head.
PBR
 
JumpersAway said:
Had we aquired both Mesaba and Compass, we would be meyered in a mess of disention and misery for years to come. With the kill off of the flow, you know those guys will be spreading misery for quite some time- I wouldn't want to fly or deal with it.........

As far as a game plan- sometimes the best laid plan involves timing, as well as execution. Just because we're doing nothing now (or it appears that way) doesn't mean we're not poised or getting into position to execute a coup-de-gras later. I stand by my argument that something has been in the works for a while, and that our "finest hour" is still on the horizon............
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There is a fine line between optimism and delusion.
 
crj567 said:
There is a fine line between optimism and delusion.
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Delusion? Let me ask you something- what exactly would I have to gain, with the exception of missery, by adopting your point of view? With each post you write, you cough up more pessimism and doom. Come to think about it, I don't think I've read anything remotely good from you in the history you've been on this board. It appears your outlook is beyond reconcile, so why not bail, quit, or move on........

If you absolutely believe there is no change on the horizon for us, then things won't get better. So with that, either get busy changing it, or get on with your career.....................somewhere else.

It is what it is..................
 
JumpersAway said:
Delusion? Let me ask you something- what exactly would I have to gain, with the exception of missery, by adopting your point of view? With each post you write, you cough up more pessimism and doom. Come to think about it, I don't think I've read anything remotely good from you in the history you've been on this board. It appears your outlook is beyond reconcile, so why not bail, quit, or move on........

If you absolutely believe there is no change on the horizon for us, then things won't get better. So with that, either get busy changing it, or get on with your career.....................somewhere else.

It is what it is..................
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Well said. People like this have nothing better to do than to try to spread the their negative rhetoric all over the company. Glad to see its not working. I'm glad to see we have ALL furloughs coming back to work, and that we have more airframes now than we did when we started furloughing. Every captain that lost their seat after the furloughs will have the opportunity to get it back.

As far as the Delta regional sell-off, I'm glad we weren't involved. Those deals all involved labor coming over with the airframes. That would have been a complete mess, as Trans States and Pinnacle will soon find out. I don't think there is a single employee at any of those regionals that is happy about those deals. JA wants airframes and a long term contract to grow SKW and ASA. And that is what we are going to get.
 
I don't know Jerry or Brad but they seem like two guys at the bar that can't seal the deal. How many airlines have they almost bought? The 500 airplanes in 50 states vision sounds more like cool aid for the troops and not a solid buisness plan. It looks like they have a lot of money but tucking it under the mattress will not grow an airline.
 
JumpersAway said:
Delusion? Let me ask you something- what exactly would I have to gain, with the exception of missery, by adopting your point of view? With each post you write, you cough up more pessimism and doom. Come to think about it, I don't think I've read anything remotely good from you in the history you've been on this board. It appears your outlook is beyond reconcile, so why not bail, quit, or move on........

If you absolutely believe there is no change on the horizon for us, then things won't get better. So with that, either get busy changing it, or get on with your career.....................somewhere else.

It is what it is..................
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Sure-the industry has up and downs, but really.... Are you seriously buying this mess about 500 planes? Is anyone really that silly and gullible?

-Whatever, big guy. I guess I'm just a "sour Sally," or maybe I am a "negative Nancy" or a "bad-news Bob," or whatever they may call people like me at the next pep rally. This industry is a complete wreck-it is a mere shadow of what it was just a decade ago.

Please forgive my indiscretions, but I have seen all this "the sky's the limit" stuff before, and I am seeing it again and again-the story grows old..... If you want to get all excited, do a few cartwheels for me, but I'll save my energy. I just can't get fired up with the same old rhetoric and nothing to back it up-again....
 
FSI Grad, your name says it all. yorue probably a 200 hr wonder who has "Shiny Jet Syndrome" You have no clue. do you work for MESA? , btw mesa SUCKS !! :)
 
FSIGRAD said:
I don't know Jerry or Brad but they seem like two guys at the bar that can't seal the deal. How many airlines have they almost bought? The 500 airplanes in 50 states vision sounds more like cool aid for the troops and not a solid buisness plan. It looks like they have a lot of money but tucking it under the mattress will not grow an airline.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! Excuse me...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!!!!!!

We have a normal everyday pilot questioning a man that built an airline from a tiny Utah regional operator into a billion dollar company with TONS of cash in the bank over 31 years on how to grow an airline! Unbelievable! Who you going to consult next? SWA?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! WHEW! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
crj567 said:
Sure-the industry has up and downs, but really.... Are you seriously buying this mess about 500 planes? Is anyone really that silly and gullible?

-Whatever, big guy. I guess I'm just a "sour Sally," or maybe I am a "negative Nancy" or a "bad-news Bob," or whatever they may call people like me at the next pep rally. This industry is a complete wreck-it is a mere shadow of what it was just a decade ago.

Please forgive my indiscretions, but I have seen all this "the sky's the limit" stuff before, and I am seeing it again and again-the story grows old..... If you want to get all excited, do a few cartwheels for me, but I'll save my energy. I just can't get fired up with the same old rhetoric and nothing to back it up-again....
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Point taken. However, I absolutely see where the industry was 10 years ago (yes, even 25 years ago), and where it is now. It's a totally different landscape- always will be. The "good ole' days" are just gone, but there is some room for money and quality of life up ahead- question is who and where...........

I'm not buying 500 airframes at ASA, not for a second. You've got to see the forest for the trees though. Even IF we merely doubled in size, and ended up with 220+airframes, we'd be doing ok. Especially since you're either growing or dying in this business. Hey- I'll settle for 30 airplanes......but something tells me it will be north of that, in the long run. Can I prove it- NO. Do I dine with JA and BH with the inside scoop on things from rubbing elbows with the "in the know" crowd- NO! However, I do see a parent company with money, and money equals options. Hey, for all I know, we get hit by an asteroid tomorrow, life ends as we know it, and we don't get a single airplane.........

I guess we'll just have to hunker down and wait, won't we? But look at it this way crj567- you will have nothing to bitch about in the future, come the fall. Either flight hours stay up this fall, which is equivilent to growth and all the money you care to make, or the flying falls off, and you get to stare at the walls with nothing to do in October, just as it's been in the past. Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.
 
JumpersAway said:
Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.
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When are the first captains hitting the line? What is your effective date?
PM if you want.
 
JumpersAway said:
Point taken. However, I absolutely see where the industry was 10 years ago (yes, even 25 years ago), and where it is now. It's a totally different landscape- always will be. The "good ole' days" are just gone, but there is some room for money and quality of life up ahead- question is who and where...........

I'm not buying 500 airframes at ASA, not for a second. You've got to see the forest for the trees though. Even IF we merely doubled in size, and ended up with 220+airframes, we'd be doing ok. Especially since you're either growing or dying in this business. Hey- I'll settle for 30 airplanes......but something tells me it will be north of that, in the long run. Can I prove it- NO. Do I dine with JA and BH with the inside scoop on things from rubbing elbows with the "in the know" crowd- NO! However, I do see a parent company with money, and money equals options. Hey, for all I know, we get hit by an asteroid tomorrow, life ends as we know it, and we don't get a single airplane.........

I guess we'll just have to hunker down and wait, won't we? But look at it this way crj567- you will have nothing to bitch about in the future, come the fall. Either flight hours stay up this fall, which is equivilent to growth and all the money you care to make, or the flying falls off, and you get to stare at the walls with nothing to do in October, just as it's been in the past. Even if we stay busy, it should be more managable if you want time off- more captains hitting the line..................I'm one of them.
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Well-

I'm not thinking we will all be doomed for eternity. Maybe things will improve sooner rather than later. For every down cycle, there is eventually and up cycle. Things could also get far worse-terrorism remains a very real threat to our industry.

It is just that this down cycle has been absolutely catastrophic for the entire industry. Ten years ago-all the "big plane" guys were making fun of how little SWA pilots made, and how they had to wear funny leather jackets (instead of cool "sub commander" ones.) Those "big plane" guys stopped laughing quite a while ago... Times sure have changed-far more than I ever would have imagined.

Good things can happen. It is just that 500 planes and 50 states will never happen. Anyone who buys that line is a crackhead.
 
as many have said, yes 500 may be a stretch... best thing is to just roll with the punches. Flying the the big iron is the dream for many but as life goes on and choices made that dream is amended by many. good luck to us all as the changes occur, yes I do believe that we are in for a ride, buckle up.
 
crj567 said:
Good things can happen. It is just that 500 planes and 50 states will never happen. Anyone who buys that line is a crackhead.
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I'm not a crackhead. Yes the CRJ-200 can make it from California to Hawaii if you only take 0 people with booster tanks. Also I'm pretty sure that the CRJ700 can make it from ATL to ANC under same conditions. 50 states maynot be a stretch. Discuss ASA pilots, discuss
 
FSIGRAD said:
I don't know Jerry or Brad but they seem like two guys at the bar that can't seal the deal. How many airlines have they almost bought? The 500 airplanes in 50 states vision sounds more like cool aid for the troops and not a solid buisness plan. It looks like they have a lot of money but tucking it under the mattress will not grow an airline.
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Wow, That takes the cake on ignorance.

$800 million in unrestricted cash and making wise choices is hardly a pair who cant seal the deal.

Medeco
 

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