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NDPILOT

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Sorry to whomever this will affect but, a very senior check and trainer at 9e mentioned that a 5 to 1 senority (in effect staple) process is in the works. There's apparently a fence agreement for the top 10% at XJ, which has already been agreed to. The 56 RJ's will be added to the 9e certificate and the colgan -8's will be absorbed into XJ as the sole turbo-prop operator for 9e.

If anyone else has more information to share I'd appreciate it. I hate this goddman industry.
 
Hi!

I don't see Pinnacle OR Mesaba pilots agreeing to a staple.

cliff
LFW
 
NDPILOT said:
Sorry to whomever this will affect but, a very senior check and trainer at 9e mentioned that a 5 to 1 senority (in effect staple) process is in the works. There's apparently a fence agreement for the top 10% at XJ, which has already been agreed to. The 56 RJ's will be added to the 9e certificate and the colgan -8's will be absorbed into XJ as the sole turbo-prop operator for 9e.

If anyone else has more information to share I'd appreciate it. I hate this goddman industry.
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Why are pilots so gullible? Really....why?
 
Good one. Let Phil know his little airline will come to a screaching halt if he tries to pull that one.
 
The author of this post is either completely full of sh!t or has been given really bad information. I expect a percentage based formula where no one moves up or down from where they are now.
 
yeah right.

Yeah, sounds credible. The unions of all three airlines got together, over July 4th weekend, and hashed out a plan that took NWA/Delta a year to figure out with just two airlines.
 
As soon as someone mentions "check airmen" and "told me". I know 2 things, the person telling the story is a tard, and 2 the story is false.
 
Why will Colgan be stapled to the bottom?

It's not fair just because they fly props. They are real airliners too.
 
I, for one am looking forward to being stapled so I can learn about aviation from real jet pilots. Lord knows 4000 hours buzzing around the NE in turbo props hasn't taught me a thing!
 
This is pure flame and bure bs...nice try though...im sure you fly a 744...on microsoft flight sim...get a life duesce...this will be relitive seniority...gauranteed...its the only fair way to do it without screwing either side...SEVEN...were finally on the same team...lets take this cat out behind the barn with a crowbar and go to town!!!
 
altimaklr said:
If a Pinnacle checkairman told you, it's 99% BS.
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More like 110% bull sh*t. Those guys go out of their way to encourage pilot group division and appease their masters in management.
 
NDPILOT said:
If anyone else has more information to share I'd appreciate it. I hate this goddman industry.
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What do you mean MORE information? How about SOME information, because what you just wrote is complete bull.

I doubt there is any real information to be had at this time, but if there is you wont find it posted here.
 
Looks like one of our 9E CA went down to XJ crew room in DTW and exchange senority list, and I found it interesting that there was a gap of 2 years from 05 - 07 of no hire at XJ. I"m sitting at 65% at Pinnacle and I would be 50% at XJ. If we do DOH or relative senority i would still move up. If we are talking 1 for 1 ofcouse.
 
silver02ex said:
Looks like one of our 9E CA went down to XJ crew room in DTW and exchange senority list, and I found it interesting that there was a gap of 2 years from 05 - 07 of no hire at XJ. I"m sitting at 65% at Pinnacle and I would be 50% at XJ. If we do DOH or relative senority i would still move up. If we are talking 1 for 1 ofcouse.
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Interesting maybe, if you are newer to the business. That was the period when we were getting bent over by management and fake bankruptcies.
 
True, and if you look back over the years under NWA, as one company was in negotiations and shrinking the other grew at thier expense, then a year or so later things would swing in the other direction. You could set your watch by it. That was the NWA way. Now... well Delta seems to be an equal opportunity crapper on its partners.
 
DoinTime said:
More like 110% bull sh*t. Those guys go out of their way to encourage pilot group division and appease their masters in management.
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I agree that this is pure BS. Most likely this will be pure seniority based. Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan will all have full credit for their seniority and will be integrated into a master list on that basis.

The caveat will be a seat lock on existing equipment to prevent multiple training events. This will be compensated with a bypass pay premiums until the seat lock expires.
 
NDPILOT said:
Sorry to whomever this will affect but, a very senior check and trainer at 9e mentioned that a 5 to 1 senority (in effect staple) process is in the works. There's apparently a fence agreement for the top 10% at XJ, which has already been agreed to. The 56 RJ's will be added to the 9e certificate and the colgan -8's will be absorbed into XJ as the sole turbo-prop operator for 9e.

If anyone else has more information to share I'd appreciate it. I hate this goddman industry.
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The reason this is crap - is because there are only 41 900s at mesaba not 56
 
Yep that about sums it up.


samballs said:
As soon as someone mentions "check airmen" and "told me". I know 2 things, the person telling the story is a tard, and 2 the story is false.
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NDPILOT said:
Sorry to whomever this will affect but, a very senior check and trainer at 9e mentioned that a 5 to 1 senority (in effect staple) process is in the works. There's apparently a fence agreement for the top 10% at XJ, which has already been agreed to. The 56 RJ's will be added to the 9e certificate and the colgan -8's will be absorbed into XJ as the sole turbo-prop operator for 9e.

If anyone else has more information to share I'd appreciate it. I hate this goddman industry.
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F$ck YOU!!!! Are you generals cell mate? We are ********************ed and you rub it in, you are a #1 prick. Tell that check air ******************** I am not preparing for my PC!! Pitiful is going to throw us under the bus. The class action lawsuit will prevail, but it will take years!!! CNN has a bug running now, we shall see what comes of that. alpa, mesa and pitiful suck. No external power needed from now on. APU needed for cooling!!!! Mesa will look like a saint airline when pinnacle gets done with mesaba and colgan. Wait till you have a wife kids and career you thought was secure you f3cking punk. FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKK UUUUUU!!!!!!!
 
budd said:
F$ck YOU!!!! Are you generals cell mate? We are ********************ed and you rub it in, you are a #1 prick. Tell that check air ******************** I am not preparing for my PC!! Pitiful is going to throw us under the bus. The class action lawsuit will prevail, but it will take years!!! CNN has a bug running now, we shall see what comes of that. alpa, mesa and pitiful suck. No external power needed from now on. APU needed for cooling!!!! Mesa will look like a saint airline when pinnacle gets done with mesaba and colgan. Wait till you have a wife kids and career you thought was secure you f3cking punk. FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKK UUUUUU!!!!!!!
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Yes you are flagship.
 
budd said:
F$ck YOU!!!! Are you generals cell mate? We are ********************ed and you rub it in, you are a #1 prick. Tell that check air ******************** I am not preparing for my PC!! Pitiful is going to throw us under the bus. The class action lawsuit will prevail, but it will take years!!! CNN has a bug running now, we shall see what comes of that. alpa, mesa and pitiful suck. No external power needed from now on. APU needed for cooling!!!! Mesa will look like a saint airline when pinnacle gets done with mesaba and colgan. Wait till you have a wife kids and career you thought was secure you f3cking punk. FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKK UUUUUU!!!!!!!
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WoW!!! Real professional post, I bet your a pleasure to fly with....
 

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