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A few companies don't have a set number anymore. It's a discretionary thing. If you abuse it, you are basically going to be "abused" right back. Then those decent companies will also allow you to pretty much have as many unpaid days as your little heart desires, but I could see how that could bite you in the rear too.
 
FishandFly said:
One of your captains was telling me that you guys don't have a limit on sick days anymore. Is that true?
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Yup unlimited amount of sick days. We get 5 hrs of sick time per month. Fatigue calls are also now a part of the ASAP program and one no longer has to talk to a CP about it. If you call in sick just bring a DR's note when you return and you will be good to go. You can call in sick as many times as is needed without fear of losing your job.
 
The Drizzle said:
Just to clarify, Unlimited sick calls with Dr.'s notes. How many without them?
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Unlimited with notes, 4 without and you'll get a note in your vfile, basically a reminder, means nothing... 5 and you get a meeting with the ACP to discuss why you're missing so much work. This is all within the previous 12 cal months. I haven't called out sick in a year or so though so I haven't used it. But you can simply go to the company doctor at any of the hubs for free.

CFI2766 said:
anyone have a link to anything official on this?
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If you were an XJT pilot you could go to our ALPA website and see for yourself, or you would have gotten a notice from the company.... But if you're not I guess you'll have to take our word for it.
 
i think that's a step in the right direction with fatigue being part of ASAP. the CP's shouldn't have any input in that anyway..if I feel fatigued, i'm fatigued-end of story. I don't care how the CP thinks I should feel.
 
That's pretty much how it was been at Comair for since the last contract. Hopefully the pilots don't give that up in 2011.
 
TEXAN AVIATOR said:
Unlimited with notes, 4 without and you'll get a note in your vfile, basically a reminder, means nothing... 5 and you get a meeting with the ACP to discuss why you're missing so much work. This is all within the previous 12 cal months. I haven't called out sick in a year or so though so I haven't used it. But you can simply go to the company doctor at any of the hubs for free.


If you were an XJT pilot you could go to our ALPA website and see for yourself, or you would have gotten a notice from the company.... But if you're not I guess you'll have to take our word for it.
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Thanks, that should be the policy for all airlines.
 
The Drizzle said:
Thanks, that should be the policy for all airlines.
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Come to Eagle. Unlimited without a note. If they think you're abusing, they have to produce documented evidence showing how so. Said evidance can't reference a number of calls in a certain time period either.
 
CFI2766 said:
Perhaps if it were public knowledge, it could could be incorporated into future bargaining cycles...

just sayin'.
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If your airline is ALPA I guarantee you they know what the other guys have, even if you're teamsters they probably know.
 
TEXAN AVIATOR said:
If your airline is ALPA I guarantee you they know what the other guys have, even if you're teamsters they probably know.
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Maybe... maybe not.

I looked; I didn't see anywhere in the existing XJT contract that specifically addressed this. Is this a new LOA? New MOU? Maybe I just missed the section of the XJT contract where this is specified...
 
Well I know the XJTALPA knows what everyone else has.... It was something within the last year or so. Not in the contract but it's either a LOA or MOU.
 
On the fatigue issue; as it was stated it falls under ASAP, now guys will be asked to come to an ERC meeting.
 
So they make you go to the ERC if you file an ASAP there? I've filled out several and never been asked to go. Also ASAP is not mandatory, so how can they force you to even fill one out if you call fatigue? I like the idea..just not sure how it's implemented.
 
Hypoxik said:
On the fatigue issue; as it was stated it falls under ASAP, now guys will be asked to come to an ERC meeting.
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SLUF4 said:
So they make you go to the ERC if you file an ASAP there? I've filled out several and never been asked to go. Also ASAP is not mandatory, so how can they force you to even fill one out if you call fatigue? I like the idea..just not sure how it's implemented.
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Not everybody gets called into an ERC meeting for a fatigue ASAP.

If you dont fill out the ASAP for fatigue, you are excluded from the program and are then subject to the CPO and any punishment that they deem necessary.

The sick calls deal is not in the contract or any union document, its part of the companies "attendance and reliability" program. It was changed last year some time. Ive used it twice and its a pretty decent program change, although I dont think we should have to do anything.
 
rjacobs said:
If you dont fill out the ASAP for fatigue, you are excluded from the program and are then subject to the CPO and any punishment that they deem necessary.
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How can they punish you for calling fatigued? I'm pretty sure that's completely protected by the FAA. :confused:
 
DGdaPilot said:
How can they punish you for calling fatigued? I'm pretty sure that's completely protected by the FAA. :confused:
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Putting fatigue in ASAP means that you have to comply with all the same rules as if you had to file an ASAP for an altitude deviation. If you dont file the ASAP for the altitude deviation you are at the mercy of the FAA(if they choose to pursue it). If you dont file the ASAP for the fatigue call you are going to be excluded from ASAP protection and thus there is no way to tell if that fatigue call was legit or not(as it currently stands) and it is basically sent to the CPO(or somebody else, not sure who gets the ones that are excluded).
 
I just don't get how these people in charge think they can determine if a fatigue call is legit or not. If I'm tired and feel unfit to fly I will call fatigue...it doesn't matter if I had a 3 day break from work or not-maybe something happened that caused me not to sleep the night before. Also, I noticed in June here at my company a lot of days blocked to nearly 8 hours and duty times up around 13 followed by 9-10 hour layovers. You have to expect fatigue calls with schedules like that.
 
SLUF4 said:
I just don't get how these people in charge think they can determine if a fatigue call is legit or not. If I'm tired and feel unfit to fly I will call fatigue...it doesn't matter if I had a 3 day break from work or not-maybe something happened that caused me not to sleep the night before. Also, I noticed in June here at my company a lot of days blocked to nearly 8 hours and duty times up around 13 followed by 9-10 hour layovers. You have to expect fatigue calls with schedules like that.
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There is much more to the process than just a few people sitting down and determining if you were actually fatigued.
 
GuppyWN said:
You have to have a note? What are you - in Kindergarten? I'm not paying $100 for a doctors visit when I have a head cold.

Gup
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No....you can have 4 unquestioned sick calls a year. If you bring a dr's note, it doesn't count towards the 4.
 
Well enlighten me-do they have some sort of body exchange teleporter where they can get into my body and see how I feel?
 

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