ASA June lines

[IFLYASA]

Looks like the 3 days are all gone. What a teaser May was for the 200 pilots. What a joke.

 

[777forever]

Looks like the 3 days are all gone. What a teaser May was for the 200 pilots. What a joke.

Want No red arrows? You guys got it!

 

[Dubya]

Looks like the 3 days are all gone. What a teaser May was for the 200 pilots. What a joke.

We are all broken up over it. Hang in there.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Looks like the 3 days are all gone. What a teaser May was for the 200 pilots. What a joke.

A good chess player looks several moves ahead before moving a piece on the chess board....When we complained about red arrow days and reserve utilization with low time lines, did you not look a few moves ahead?

There will be very few red arrow days now and the reserves will fly less. In addition, the lines will be much worse, and some former line holders will now be reserve pilots....It's simple math folks....

 

[Tom_Bodett]

A good chess player looks several moves ahead before moving a piece on the chess board....When we complained about red arrow days and reserve utilization with low time lines, did you not look a few moves ahead?

There will be very few red arrow days now and the reserves will fly less. In addition, the lines will be much worse, and some former line holders will now be reserve pilots....It's simple math folks....

Thank you...at least someone realizes what will happen when everyone keeps complaining of red arrows.

 

[sunlitpath]

How about everybody shut up and go to work...

 

[PositionandHold]

A good chess player looks several moves ahead before moving a piece on the chess board....When we complained about red arrow days and reserve utilization with low time lines, did you not look a few moves ahead?

There will be very few red arrow days now and the reserves will fly less. In addition, the lines will be much worse, and some former line holders will now be reserve pilots....It's simple math folks....

Joe they needed to raise line values. We were working our butts off with min rest constantly on rsv. At least some of us. I can't speak for the nap guys.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Mesa Sucks!

 

[SLUF4]

Why not just staff the airline correctly and then the red arrows go away and line values are high..what a dream

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe they needed to raise line values. We were working our butts off with min rest constantly on rsv. At least some of us. I can't speak for the nap guys.

I never said they didn't need to raise the line values...I am just pointing out that life will better for some, and worse for more....Everything is give and take. The line values could probably be lower if we were willing to put up with more red arrow days.

The best thing for reserves is to get them off of reserve...That will come from growth, and that is what the company is trying to do. Lowering costs helps in that regard.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why not just staff the airline correctly and then the red arrows go away and line values are high..what a dream

That is exactly what is going to happen next month. The red arrow days are going away and the line values are high.....We are staffed correctly.

 

[sniper]

Mesa Sucks!

ASA sucks more

 

[SLUF4]

thanks, joe

 

[777forever]

Joe they needed to raise line values. We were working our butts off with min rest constantly on rsv. At least some of us. I can't speak for the nap guys.

And its well worth it if you break guarantee like some of the ATL 200 guys were doing by a long shot plus 24hr per diem. If you're getting "beat up" in ATL I'll gladly base swap with you so you can get some well deserved rest in IAD. Over a 5 day call period you will mostly sit at home except for 2 days in which you'll get 8 hrs of airport appreciation on a severe clear day.

Joe we need more people like you at ASA. People with strong analytical thinking skills. People who think about the unintended consequences. People who don't scream "we're understaffed!!!" we line values are under 95hrs and over 70% of reserves are not breaking guarantee(100% in IAD). If it was up to me you'd be the MEC Chair.

 

[spudskier]

Umm, contrary to your theory Mr. Merchant... IAD lines were all $h!t 4-day trips last month with the best line having 14 days off also all low-value trips... ALL RED ARROW days... now for June? SAME damn trips (few three days with a day-line before each of them thrown in for "variety!?") g-d forbid someone has more than 3 days off. I'm sure it'll be ALL red arrow days again next month. Getting more and more tired of this airline's disregard for it's employees

 

[777forever]

Umm, contrary to your theory Mr. Merchant... IAD lines were all $h!t 4-day trips last month with the best line having 14 days off also all low-value trips... ALL RED ARROW days... now for June? SAME damn trips (few three days with a day-line before each of them thrown in for "variety!?") g-d forbid someone has more than 3 days off. I'm sure it'll be ALL red arrow days again next month. Getting more and more tired of this airline's disregard for it's employees

Doubt there will be any red arrows due to the higher value trips in IAD so now you should be able to swap to your heart's content to give yourself more than 3 days off. While you guys suffer thru your set schedules with high credit, us reserves will truly feel your pain as we sit bored in our crashpads for 5 days save for a couple 7:30 am ready reserve assignments on severe clear days(waste of gas/cab money),with no per diem, and MMG pay. Then we'll commute home for 2 days off and return for 6 days of the same. Yup, lineholders with 85hr plus credit lines have it bad...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Umm, contrary to your theory Mr. Merchant... IAD lines were all $h!t 4-day trips last month with the best line having 14 days off also all low-value trips... ALL RED ARROW days... now for June? SAME damn trips (few three days with a day-line before each of them thrown in for "variety!?") g-d forbid someone has more than 3 days off. I'm sure it'll be ALL red arrow days again next month. Getting more and more tired of this airline's disregard for it's employees

IAD lines will probably always be bad as long as IAD doesn't have as many "banks" or "pushes"....That creates worse lines. To have good 3 days, you need high block time each day. Two things that hurt this are fewer banks in a hub and duty day limits/longer rest requirements. It's kinda like an algebra problem.

If we had ORD lines, you would probably see better lines.

 

[CFI2766]

I never said they didn't need to raise the line values...I am just pointing out that life will better for some, and worse for more....Everything is give and take. The line values could probably be lower if we were willing to put up with more red arrow days.

The best thing for reserves is to get them off of reserve...That will come from growth, and that is what the company is trying to do. Lowering costs helps in that regard.....

Worth repeating. Especially the give and take part.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Umm, contrary to your theory Mr. Merchant... IAD lines were all $h!t 4-day trips last month with the best line having 14 days off also all low-value trips... ALL RED ARROW days... now for June? SAME damn trips (few three days with a day-line before each of them thrown in for "variety!?") g-d forbid someone has more than 3 days off. I'm sure it'll be ALL red arrow days again next month. Getting more and more tired of this airline's disregard for it's employees

Sounds like B.H. borrowed some members of our fantastic crew scheduling department to help out at ASA...

 

[SLUF4]

While I like your picture obviously 777forever, I think you're too much of a company apologist. Do you enjoy being worked over all the time by scheduling being on reserve like you say you are? It wasn't always like this. We'll see what happens on the 21st-maybe it'll be good news.

 

[jstyle13]

We'll see what happens on the 21st-maybe it'll be good news.

Why is there a buzz around the "announcment" on the 21st? Am I missing something? Isn't it just some family day thing at A Tech where they are going to talk about our shortened name? Something else rumored to be going down?

 

[SLUF4]

yes. rumored anyway.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Why is there a buzz around the "announcment" on the 21st? Am I missing something? Isn't it just some family day thing at A Tech where they are going to talk about our shortened name? Something else rumored to be going down?

Yeah, anybody who shows up will be asked to repo an airplane over to the concourse.

...don't forget to place 9999 in the ACARS so you get paid.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Yeah, anybody who shows up will be asked to repo an airplane over to the concourse.

...don't forget to place 9999 in the ACARS so you get paid.

And junior manned by scheduling!!!

 

[Freebrd]

now wat thes june flu talk goin on bout?

 

[777forever]

While I like your picture obviously 777forever, I think you're too much of a company apologist. Do you enjoy being worked over all the time by scheduling being on reserve like you say you are? It wasn't always like this. We'll see what happens on the 21st-maybe it'll be good news.

I thoroughly enjoy looking at the check on the following 15th after being worked like a dog. The paycheck is drastically different when a reserve breaks guarantee. Life was great on the 700 with breaking guarantee every other month. In IAD it doesn't look like a reserve will break guarantee anytime soon, even in the summer. Thats why I laugh when people constantly say bring the furloughs back.

The difference between reserve and lineholder pay is so different its almost basically two different jobs. It definitely tells you something when a senior FO crediting 90hrs and 300TAFB takes home the same amount as a reserve capt.

 

[SLUF4]

pay isn't everything...it's a lot, but it's not everything. i'd like to have a good life away from the job myself

 

[Tarzan]

The difference between reserve and lineholder pay is so different its almost basically two different jobs. It definitely tells you something when a senior FO crediting 90hrs and 300TAFB takes home the same amount as a reserve capt.

Do the math again. You are at least $1000 a month off. And if that is the case, I didn't see too many CA's on reserve tripping over each other to downgrade.

 

[JumpersAway]

Do the math again. You are at least $1000 a month off. And if that is the case, I didn't see too many CA's on reserve tripping over each other to downgrade.

I can state for a FACT that you aren't touching reserve captain's pay as a first officer- take that from someone who has been in both seats under the same contract.

 

[gator_hater]

On the 700 you've got to credit 109 hours with 350+ TAFB to get to reserve capt pay. I've gotten close about half the time but you have to work hard and bid smart. Lately it has been more difficult.