UAX/SKW Jumpseating vs. United Greed

[WalterSobchak]

It would appear that, effective immediately, United is forcing SkyWest to cancel their cabin jumpseat agreements for UAX flights. Apparently, so many SKW pilots and F/A's have been jumpseating everywhere (even when not commuting) instead of paying the annual "opt in" fees for non-revving, UA decided it was time to get what's theirs and put a stop to it.

On UAX coded flights, there are no more FA agreements at all and one pilot in the flight deck only. Everyone else will have to use their UA "benefits" and offline crew will have to use ID90/ZED tickets. One could hope that the overall reciprocal agreements will stay in place for the DL and FL side...but, something tells me that, without access to 3/4ths of SkyWest's flights, few carriers are going to maintain a reciprocal jumpseat agreement. Maybe this will be just a shot across the bow to force flight crew to "opt-in"...

Just another brutal hit on QOL for flight crew (and dispatchers, too...my pseudo-commute to DFW is screwed without a jumpseat on an OAL carrier). Stay classy, United.

 

[10nCLR]

not cool United, not cool, but this is http://www.kool-aiddays.com/

 

[RJLoser]

Not following. Offline cannot Jumpseat?!?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Not following. Offline cannot Jumpseat?!?

The way I read it, pilots may only travel in the Flight Deck as authorized by CASS. Pilots non-revving/commuting in a cabin seat on a UAX flight operated by SkyWest must use their non-rev bennies or possess a paper NRSA ticket such as an ID 90 or ZED fare.

To me, that sounds like no jumpseating...just non-revving...is available for commuters.

 

[Mike man]

Make sure UA does not charge you for deadheads...they did for a while at CHQ then as classy as CHQ is deducted it from our pay checks, not in a small increment but 100% of your check until you were squared away (they did eventually fix the payment plan).

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How can United dictate your jumpseat policy as far as OAL jumpseaters are concerned?

 

[WalterSobchak]

How can United dictate your jumpseat policy as far as OAL jumpseaters are concerned?

They're not dictating the actual jumpseat policy, per se. As far as I can tell, OAL's will still be allowed ...but will not be granted a seat in the cabin without an ID90 or ZED ticket (apologies for not being more clear amidst the hyperbole). Seems to me that would limit jumpseaters to one.

They own the cabin seats...so, I guess they're trying to make a little revenue off of "non-revenue" travel in those seats. Ugh.

Just the way this went down is maddening...a friend in CS tells me the memo was sent Friday evening at 6pm and effective immediately...without bothering to really tell anyone.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Sure would be nice to see airline management focussing on making money off of their customers, rather than their employees.

So is mainline United multiple OAL jumpseaters?

 

[sweptback]

Just the way this went down is maddening...a friend in CS tells me the memo was sent Friday evening at 6pm and effective immediately...without bothering to really tell anyone.

Ahh, the old, "if you have bad news, dump it right before a holiday" routine. Works every time!

 

[ePilot22]

It would appear that, effective immediately, United is forcing SkyWest to cancel their cabin jumpseat agreements for UAX flights. Apparently, so many SKW pilots and F/A's have been jumpseating everywhere (even when not commuting) instead of paying the annual "opt in" fees for non-revving, UA decided it was time to get what's theirs and put a stop to it.

On UAX coded flights, there are no more FA agreements at all and one pilot in the flight deck only. Everyone else will have to use their UA "benefits" and offline crew will have to use ID90/ZED tickets. One could hope that the overall reciprocal agreements will stay in place for the DL and FL side...but, something tells me that, without access to 3/4ths of SkyWest's flights, few carriers are going to maintain a reciprocal jumpseat agreement. Maybe this will be just a shot across the bow to force flight crew to "opt-in"...

Just another brutal hit on QOL for flight crew (and dispatchers, too...my pseudo-commute to DFW is screwed without a jumpseat on an OAL carrier). Stay classy, United.

How is this different than what Delta does? I don't pay "opt-in" fees to any mainline carrier. Last week I had a scheduled 3 hour sit in SLC before a deadhead to DEN. I tried to jumpseat out on a Delta Skywest flight. Since I don't pay PPR fees I could only have the jumpseat even though there were +2 seats in the cabin available. A FAA inspector ended up taking the jumpseat and I left SLC an hour later on Lynx.

So again, how is this any different from what Delta does?




eP.

 

[RJLoser]

The way I read it, pilots may only travel in the Flight Deck as authorized by CASS. Pilots non-revving/commuting in a cabin seat on a UAX flight operated by SkyWest must use their non-rev bennies or possess a paper NRSA ticket such as an ID 90 or ZED fare.

To me, that sounds like no jumpseating...just non-revving...is available for commuters.

So...a mesaba/compass/pinnacle/air wiskey/lynx/horizon...(a non united feeder) has to buy a zed to "flow" into the back of the A/C if there are open seats?

Non Delta feeders are allowed to flow back into the cabin on Delta. Its just those who are delta feeder guys that dont pay their yearly fees that aren't.

Same deal here as DL or am I missing something?

 

[Fishpaw]

So is this the js policy for all uax operators? I haven't seen anything about this at xjt and I js'd in the cabin on gojet yesterday without a pass...

 

[flyboyzz1]

just heard that SKYW is the first to follow the directive...all will follow suite soon.... plant your paws at home

 

[skyslug]

Just out of curiosity, where is the offical memo that states this (can you post it please). Not that I doubt you I just want to see how it's actually worded, not someones version of how they think it's worded.

 

[Erlanger]

Just out of curiosity, where is the offical memo that states this (can you post it please). Not that I doubt you I just want to see how it's actually worded, not someones version of how they think it's worded.

Applicability All Contract Customer Service Agents
Effective Date Immediately
Policy Cabin Jumpseat Agreements on UAX flights operated by SkyWest have been
discontinued.
Flight Attendants requesting NRSA travel on UAX flights operated by SkyWest
must be electronically authorized or possess a paper NRSA ticket such as
an ID 90 or ZED fare.
Pilots may only travel OMC in the Flight Deck as authorized by CASS. Pilots
requesting NRSA travel in the cabin on UAX flights operated by SkyWest must
be electronically authorized or possess a paper NRSA ticket such as an ID
90 or ZED fare.
Additional information will be provided as available.
Procedure Discontinue use of the SkyWest Cabin Jumpseat Authorization form until further
notice.
Notify flight attendants requesting cabin jumpseats of change in policy.
Compliance FastAIR Profiles (Ctrl F1) Profile Code: SGU Name: JSA-FA
Questions DEN Training Center 303.355.2689 x10
UAX ExpressLine 303.355.2689 x32

 

[altimaklr]

Hey Skywest crews.. Stop being so cheap and pay the $50.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Hey Skywest crews.. Stop being so cheap and pay the $50.

I seem to hear this a lot from people that don't have to pay fees to ride on their own equipment.

Trouble is, to ride on all SkyWests planes a Skywest employee must pay tribute to BOTH United AND Delta. If that weren't F'd up enough, Air Tran wants a fee too but if you opt for Air Tran then you can't do Delta. NOW, they're coming up with new ways to F with the jumpseat.

This is screwed up on so many levels.

I predict fuel burns will rise substantially in the very near future. Before anyone cires about how 'unprofessional' this would be, let me ask what a 'professional' should do - cut off his own n^ts?

 

[SSDD]

Just read a memo from the jumpseat coordinator: THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO PILOTS!!!!

We've been instructed to talk to every CSA working our flights. If you are trying to jumpseat and the CSA gives you any static, ask to talk to the captain. Hopefully it will be solved quickly, but in the meantime, see the captain.

 

[CFIT]

Hey Skywest crews.. Stop being so cheap and pay the $50.

It would be great if it was $50, but it's $200 for United and another $200 for Delta.

And it's paid to Skywest first, I'm sure everything on the up and up..........

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hey Skywest crews.. Stop being so cheap and pay the $50.

Hey management lackey, it adds up to over 400 dollars. This allows you the chance to use your FREE travel benefits on UAL and Delta to standby for an oversold flight and not get on!!!!!