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zawillif

zawillif

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I was in ORD the other day and my FA heard certain SKW people with ties to St. George saying once we sign a new pilot contract in 2011 we'll be doing a total merger and become one... Go.
 
as much as I would like this to happen since we could FINALLY HAVE A CONTRACT, IT WONT, Why would SGU do this when it likes having one pilot group that is non union?
 
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Sure!
 
The only reason this rumor might have any legs is because of the changes coming in how workers at a company vote to organize. Currently, a union must receive 50.1% yes votes from the entire workforce they are trying to represent. In effect, not voting is the same as voting no and in past SkyWest union drives, these effective "no" votes kept ALPA off property.

From what I've heard, the rules are about to change to where the union would only have to receive 50.1% of the votes cast, making it much easier to win approval.
 
Bring it on lets get rid of ALPA. 2% payraise!
 
The ALPA goons have some speculation in regards to merging the list but not for the reason you all think it is.
 
No, MESA will be merged with ASA. Brad will straiten that operation out the way he did ASA. Maybe some day we will all be joined together, but I think that day is far away and it will probably be presented to the ASA group as decertify ALPA and join SkyWest or remain separate. Various carrots and sticks, yadda, yadda, yadda.
 
It will never happen. The wussies at SKYW will not do anything to benefit ASA pilots, they will just continue to get a free ride. The only way ALPA will wind up there is with 50% of the vote-and those guys have demonstrated that they don't care about anyone but themselves-twice.

-ALPA will not waste a dime on another drive for at least 10 years.
 
Too bad ASA and SKW cant form a union TOGETHER that is away from ALPA, like SWAPA. It seems like many of the pilots at SKYW like the idea of a union but not ALPA. Plus even thou SAPA really doesnt seem to have any pull with mgmt, the general consensus is that we like those that represent us at SAPA. So if we could transfer our SAPA Leadership to a union, I think many would go for it. We cant really make SAPA an in house union due to funds and resources, and some dont like what ALPA does/doesnt stand for in its image.

Either way I dont think anything will change in the form of some merged list at SKW/ASA. Thou it would be nice.
 
BHopper88 said:
Too bad ASA and SKW cant form a union TOGETHER that is away from ALPA, like SWAPA. It seems like many of the pilots at SKYW like the idea of a union but not ALPA. Plus even thou SAPA really doesnt seem to have any pull with mgmt, the general consensus is that we like those that represent us at SAPA. So if we could transfer our SAPA Leadership to a union, I think many would go for it. We cant really make SAPA an in house union due to funds and resources, and some dont like what ALPA does/doesnt stand for in its image.

Either way I dont think anything will change in the form of some merged list at SKW/ASA. Thou it would be nice.
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Completely agree! If the two pilot groups could merge and form their own union, seperate from ALPA, I would be on board. It could lead all the regionals torwards a seperate union that has their best intrest in mind, not whats best for the legacies first.

I know that SkyWest Airlines has had their "max" of FAA oversight, and the numbers prove it. There have been threats to move the certificate to ATL to get some relief.

Time will tell............
 
CFIT said:
I know that SkyWest Airlines has had their "max" of FAA oversight, and the numbers prove it. There have been threats to move the certificate to ATL to get some relief.
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Of what do you speak? I'll be interested to see what happens when SkyWest Airlines at the behest of the RAA, begins to use your CVR tapes however they see fit. Could that be what you're alluding to?
 
I see ASA moving their HDQ out of ATL before anything else happens. Getting away from the DL Branded city, creating their own identity/culture and recieving more UAL/Other contracts is what needs to be done. No sense in staying in ATL anymore, right? DL doesn't need to rely strictly on ASA in ATL. I also heard from an ASA FA on her back on the beach in MIA, who knows some people in SGU that were in MCO at Disney World say, that as soon as the new SGU airport opens up and starts recieving revenue passengers on jets, is when the 2 sister airlines will become 1. Hahahahahaha. Then HDQ will move to COS or possibly Elk City, KS.
 
10nCLR said:
I see ASA moving their HDQ out of ATL before anything else happens. Getting away from the DL Branded city, creating their own identity/culture and recieving more UAL/Other contracts is what needs to be done. No sense in staying in ATL anymore, right? DL doesn't need to rely strictly on ASA in ATL anymore. I heard from an ASA FA on the beach in MIA, who knows some people in SGU that were in MCO at Disney World say, that as soon as the new SGU airport opens up and starts recieving revenue passengers on jets, is when the 2 sister airlines will become 1. Hahahahahaha. Then HDQ will move to COS or possibly Elk City, KS.
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What about Elko NV? ;-)

Trojan
 
I heard ASA was going into the strip club business....and flight attendants get first dibs on any open positions.:eek:

Can you guys imagine Dang Doody sliding down a pole with a 20 dollar bill in her mouth to the song "American Woman"????????:eek::eek::eek:
 
CaribPilot said:
I heard ASA was going into the strip club business....and flight attendants get first dibs on any open positions.:eek:

Can you guys imagine Dang Doody sliding down a pole with a 20 dollar bill in her mouth to the song "American Woman"????????:eek::eek::eek:
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I just threw up in my mouth!!!
 
Speedtape said:
Yeah, a merger will happen when Pigs fly! And what benefit would it be?
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One management, One Maintenance, One dispatch, etc.

Personally, the way SkyW pilots have been messed with in the last years, ESPECIALLY, around union drives, I think MGT actually WANTS a union on the property. The pilots just haven't taken the bait.
 
IBNAV8R said:
One management, One Maintenance, One dispatch, etc.
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That isn't how two certificates work. Everything would be separate except seniority lists.

Personally, the way SkyW pilots have been messed with in the last years, ESPECIALLY, around union drives, I think MGT actually WANTS a union on the property. The pilots just haven't taken the bait.
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What planet do you live on? Management wanting a union but the pilots not going for it? Quick! Get your tin foil hat on. The men in black are outside reading your brain waves RIGHT NOW!
 
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It is more like SkyWest management is no longer worried about us going union (and it shows). Some of our pilots take this as managment wanting us to go union, but I do not see a union in our future no matter the ramming. I think that SGU was apprehensive of you guys at first, but later realized that it was just another contract they had to deal with to do business. Too bad most of our pilots cannot figure this out.
 
BHopper88 said:
Too bad ASA and SKW cant form a union TOGETHER that is away from ALPA, like SWAPA. It seems like many of the pilots at SKYW like the idea of a union but not ALPA. Plus even thou SAPA really doesnt seem to have any pull with mgmt, the general consensus is that we like those that represent us at SAPA. So if we could transfer our SAPA Leadership to a union, I think many would go for it. We cant really make SAPA an in house union due to funds and resources, and some dont like what ALPA does/doesnt stand for in its image.

Either way I dont think anything will change in the form of some merged list at SKW/ASA. Thou it would be nice.
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Yeah, That SAPA thing has really worked out well, not. Plus, ALPA has too many additional benefits like legal and medical help, not to mention help with FAA issues, that are too important to be left to local-yocals and can't really be duplicated in another union.
 
Bako Cap said:
It is more like SkyWest management is no longer worried about us going union (and it shows). Some of our pilots take this as managment wanting us to go union, but I do not see a union in our future no matter the ramming. I think that SGU was apprehensive of you guys at first, but later realized that it was just another contract they had to deal with to do business. Too bad most of our pilots cannot figure this out.
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ALPA isn't going to drop a dime into that place anytime soon unless there are a bunch of guys who take their own initiative and demonstrate the money spent would matter. ALPA is tight on money as well with the furloughs and loss of the US Air guys. I don't see them dropping money into your pilot group when there isn't a good chance of it being worthwhile.
 
wms said:
Yeah, That SAPA thing has really worked out well, not. Plus, ALPA has too many additional benefits like legal and medical help, not to mention help with FAA issues, that are too important to be left to local-yocals and can't really be duplicated in another union.
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What he said!

Hmmm. Which do I want? A bunch of power hungry locals that have no clue what they are doing or the largest, strongest group of pilots in a union that has been around nearly as long as planes have been flying? It's about resources and experience, people!
 
Tarzan said:
ALPA isn't going to drop a dime into that place anytime soon unless there are a bunch of guys who take their own initiative and demonstrate the money spent would matter. ALPA is tight on money as well with the furloughs and loss of the US Air guys. I don't see them dropping money into your pilot group when there isn't a good chance of it being worthwhile.
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Yup, you're right. Chip knows this and has no fear of us unionizing, ALPA or whatnot.
 
CaribPilot said:
Can you guys imagine Dang Doody sliding down a pole with a 20 dollar bill in her mouth to the song "American Woman"????????:eek::eek::eek:
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-Durn Carib... It is not very classy to talk about your dear mother in such foul terms.
 

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