Mesaba Lawsuit on Religion vs Scheduling

[ImbracableCrunk]

http://www.startribune.com/business/80032467.html?page=2&c=y

Whad'ya think? Will this be extended to pilots?

 

[s.o.sJTB]

http://www.startribune.com/business/80032467.html?page=2&c=y

Whad'ya think? Will this be extended to pilots?

I think most companies already allow this, switching shifts and schedules with other pilots to accommodate everything from religious to personal obligations is quite common. If someone dosent trade with you then well...your hosed.

 

[Raoul Duke]

it does not say that Mesaba has to avoid scheduling anyone on the weekend, just that they had to permit shift trades. if a pilot tried to shift trade and could not get anyone to take it - they would still be SOL.

 

[Abernathy]

What horse sh**. Religion has gotten enough privilege in society. No more free rides. If your religious rituals interfere with your job, then find another job.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

As part of the settlement, Mesaba agreed to conduct diversity training for all its human resources employees and management personnel involved in hiring new employees.

That's great. The one Department within a company that should be up to speed with sensitivity issues now has to go to diversity training. :laugh:

 

[TheRaven]

Im pretty sure that on the Application they mentioned the scheduling.....nights, weekends, holidays etc.....and everyone had to check "Yes i am available to work all of these with a smile on my face"

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Im pretty sure that on the Application they mentioned the scheduling.....nights, weekends, holidays etc.....and everyone had to check "Yes i am available to work all of these with a smile on my face"

..don't forget the area about wearing your hat too, people!!!!!!

 

[rumorhasit]

Im pretty sure that on the Application they mentioned the scheduling.....nights, weekends, holidays etc.....and everyone had to check "Yes i am available to work all of these with a smile on my face"

Very good point sir, does that mean that the said emp is now in breach of contract or lied on application and can be term? (not being a dick here just thinking/writting out loud because my Xmas playboy issued did not arrive in time!!!)

 

[J and E's Daddy]

In this business, we work weekends and holidays. That is the nature of the business and if one should not take a job willingly and knowingly have to work weekends and holidays if they are unable.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

This is BS. I am not anti semitic, but if Christians have to work on Christmas and Easter and Sundays, then there is no reason Jews can't work on thier Sabbath, Or holidays. I know several Jewish pilots who work Saturdays, do not keep kosher and work on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, Succoth, Channukah, Purim, Shavouth,Tish B'Av.
Did I leave any Jeiwsh Holidays out?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Go back and read the article a little closer. These were people trying to do mutual swaps with other employees that were denied. They weren't asking the company to solely give them the day off. Shifts would have been covered, nothing was going to cause any harm to the airline's schedule. That is the difference here IMO. the HR Dept. should have been smarter before terminating an employee over this rule of theirs. nobody gets fired/terminated in big businesses without the "local pro" being consulted first.

As far as religion and holidays go, I agree with everybody. I am working today, and away from my family during Christmas. I knew what the job entailed, and I can live with that.

If I could have found another pilot to voluntarily swap with me, my company would have allowed it as long as it were legal.

 

[Abernathy]

This is BS. I am not anti semitic, but if Christians have to work on Christmas and Easter and Sundays, then there is no reason Jews can't work on thier Sabbath, Or holidays. I know several Jewish pilots who work Saturdays, do not keep kosher and work on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, Succoth, Channukah, Purim, Shavouth,Tish B'Av.
Did I leave any Jeiwsh Holidays out?

Anti-Semite!!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Very good point sir, does that mean that the said emp is now in breach of contract or lied on application and can be term?

No, because the company was in violation of the law. They are required to make reasonable efforts to allow employees to swap days, and they implemented an illegal policy that prohibited shift swaps. The employee was in breach of nothing.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

anti-semite!!!!

moron!!!

 

[buscap]

Anti-Semite!!!!

No way man!!!

He just hates joos!!

 

[Flash]

No way man!!!

He just hates joos!!

I bet he's an anti-Dentite too!

 

[buscap]

I bet he's an anti-Dentite too!

I so very much forgot about that one. Time to HULU!!!

 

[LazyLightnin']

I told that kraut a fúcking thousand times I don't roll on shabbas!

 

[Flybywire44]

I;m not a Jehovahs Witness, but they reverently value their sundays.

 

[TWA Dude]

This is BS. I am not anti semitic, but if Christians have to work on Christmas and Easter and Sundays, then there is no reason Jews can't work on thier Sabbath, Or holidays.

You're mistaken. Jewish law prohibits working on the Sabbath and many holidays. This isn't discretionary and exceptions are only for extreme situations when life is at stake. To my knowledge the only thing similar in Christianity is the Seventh Day Adventists.

I know several Jewish pilots who work Saturdays, do not keep kosher and work on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, Succoth, Channukah, Purim, Shavouth,Tish B'Av.

First of all, work is permitted on Chanukah, Purim, and the Intermediate Days of Succot. Second of all, Jews who work on the prohibited days (like me) are not fully observant Jews.

Regardless, none of this is relevant to the case which started this thread. This issue is U.S. law and what companies are required to do to accommodate religious observance. Observant Jews know their employers aren't required to just give them Friday nights and Saturdays off. There are plenty of observant pilots at U.S. airlines who manage to make it work one way or another.