TWA ALPA lawsuit?

[aa73]

Heard that TWA pilots made some progress, any deets?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The question is...... what damages are the TWA pilots seeking and who is going to fund those damages.

 

[stlflyguy]

I believe $1.3 billion was the answer. Now who do you think gets to pay that, Rez?

This thing has survived summary judgment and WILL go to trial. Out comes the dirty laundry that ALPA didn't want the membership to hear. ALPA might--if they're smart--just "do what it can" to mitigate the damages.

Grab some popcorn. I look forward to the Spring.

stlflyguy

 

[PCL_128]

I'll remind you that the so-called "RJDC lawsuit" survived summary judgement, and the plaintiffs still ended up settling an amount that didn't even cover their legal costs. Don't get too excited.

The standard for summary judgement is pretty high. The judge is basically required to assume that every bit of evidence submitted by the plaintiff, even circumstantial, is in favor of the plaintiff, regardless of whether the defendant has demonstrated a likely other explanation. In other words, the defendant's evidence is essentially ignored, while the plaintiff's evidence is given extra weight. This standard isn't the case, of course, when you actually go to trial. The burden of proof will be on the plaintiff, and all things being equal, the defendant is exonerated.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I believe $1.3 billion was the answer. Now who do you think gets to pay that, Rez?

This thing has survived summary judgment and WILL go to trial. Out comes the dirty laundry that ALPA didn't want the membership to hear. ALPA might--if they're smart--just "do what it can" to mitigate the damages.

Grab some popcorn. I look forward to the Spring.

stlflyguy

What is the dirty laundry?

1.3b. Wow... if you don't BK ALPA and thus get pennies on the dollar, then pilots not even born will fund your pay out. If the profession continues to decline then, less wages will be available to fund your payout.....

ALPA trying to raise wages, but if they spend time and money with your lawsuit that defeats the purpose..... it seems your litigation is biting the hands that feeds.

Too bad USAIR left ALPA, they have taken your money and ran!

What responsibilities does the TWA MEC accept.... waiving their LPP for example.... Also, if ALPA had a goal of bringing in house unions onto the fold, is that dirty laundry? What is the dirty laundry that you speak of...

Finally, were is the APA and AMR is all of this? It would seem AMR has more cash than ALPA....

 

[stlflyguy]

Finally, were is the APA and AMR is all of this? It would seem AMR has more cash than ALPA....

Questions you need to ask the folks in Herndon.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Questions you need to ask the folks in Herndon.

Reply to my entire post.... don't cherry pick....

It is your lawsuit... it would seem more of a question for YOUR lawyers.

 

[Raoul Duke]

AMR has nothing to do with it and will not have to pay a dime. If (and it is a big if) there are damages they are paid by ALPA - which could probably avoid any damages by filing bk - so at the end of the day it is a huge waste of time, energy and money. TWA guys are lucky to have a job - even if they are FOs

 

[PCL_128]

I don't think bankruptcy is a real concern. ALPA is insured by a captive insurance company, which is reinsured by a European re-insurance company (a Lloyd's subsidiary, I think). ALPA's deductible is somewhere along the lines of $5 million, so it would still be a big pay-out, but I wouldn't worry about bankruptcy.

 

[jonjuan]

If (and it is a big if) there are damages they are paid by ALPA - which could probably avoid any damages by filing bk

Would that mean alpa officers might lose their pensions?

 

[Kharma Police]

Questions you need to ask the folks in Herndon.

I have a question, when is the APA/ALPA merger that you guys speculated going to occur? I mean, after selling the TWA pilots out to the APA with this back room deal, ALPA must be salivating to get the American pilots into the fold, RIGHT?!?!?!

 

[100 c.i.]

AMR has nothing to do with it and will not have to pay a dime. If (and it is a big if) there are damages they are paid by ALPA - which could probably avoid any damages by filing bk - so at the end of the day it is a huge waste of time, energy and money. TWA guys are lucky to have a job - even if they are FOs

Jobs!, I am a 1996 hire and no job offer from AA. Flame bait!

 

[Turtle21]

PCL and Rez stumpin' for ALPA.. who would have guessed.

Sure CAL came back to ALPA.. but why did ALPA want AMR.. does AMR have scabs too?

 

[PCL_128]

I have a question, when is the APA/ALPA merger that you guys speculated going to occur? I mean, after selling the TWA pilots out to the APA with this back room deal, ALPA must be salivating to get the American pilots into the fold, RIGHT?!?!?!

Don't let reality get in the way of a bad lawsuit.

 

[FDJ2]

This thing has survived summary judgment and WILL go to trial.

WOW! Survived summary judgment, the case must be incredibily strong to survive summery judgment.

WILL go to trial! Sounds alot like the bragging the RJDC use to do. I mean their case survived summary judgment too, but Dan Ford and his cronnies ultimately threw in the towel before it ever got to trial. The RJDC case never made it out of discovery, but they did survive a summary judgment. At least the lawyers got paid.

 

[becket]

Questions you need to ask the folks in Herndon.

Sorry but you guys were TOAST no matter what happened. Many still have jobs. That's the only win there is.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Would that mean alpa officers might lose their pensions?

You like girls with poles? Just askin?

There is only one, the ALPA President. All other officers are tied to their carriers. This was done to ensure that union pilots stay connected to the viability of thier carrier. This is why when USAIR left, the VP Finance left his National job.

Only the ALPA president does not have to be an ALPA pilot. So if ALPA declared BK, only the President's pension may or may not be threatened.

 

[Turtle21]

.. This is why when USAIR left, the VP Finance left his National job....

Yeah.. BB getting yanked out of the chateaubriand and caviar brunches was a real shame. He must have taken it personally.. he refused to come back home to pappi.

 

[Vne]

Heard that TWA pilots made some progress, any deets?

Well aa73 you should ask the APA legal team or the one from AA they attend every court session and get copied in on all motions and rulings.
After all you are paying them for it.....:beer:

 

[TWA Dude]

What responsibilities does the TWA MEC accept.... waiving their LPP for example....

Do you even know the circumstances surrounding that decision? The judge interpreted the section 1113 bankruptcy code to mean he could only abrogate our entire contract -- not cherry-pick the parts the APA (through AA) objected to. That was the choice the TWA MEC faced: waive our LPPs or lose our contract entirely. I believe they made the only decision they could based on what was known at the time.

Now, it comes out later that judge was wrong about his interpretation of section 1113 and additionally the TWA merger counsel, Roland Wilder, took his orders directly from Woerth. As far as evidence, we have a money trail that ALPA continued funding the drive to get the APA back after January 9, 2001, the date the sale was announced.

This is not a bad lawsuit as the facts are plain to see. However, DFR cases are very hard to win so I for one don't have high expectations.