Purdue flight school offers jet training

[BoilerUP]

This has been going on for over two decades at Purdue with the C90s, then the Diamond, then the B200s, then the Beechjet.

Students haven't paid a dime for any of the experience in any of those airplanes, and the only thing they're going to have to pay for with the Phenom is the EMB-100 type rating (details of the type course including cost are still being worked out).

And NO, a used CRJ-200 or E135/145 is NOT cheaper to acquire than a new Phenom 100 (which lists for roughly $3.6M, and you can bet Purdue didn't pay sticker price).

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Who hires into the Phenom?

So your expensive type rating in a VLJ has gotten you a job offer flying the same cessnas and pipers as your college roommate who saved his/her money in order to buy beer.

 

[BoilerUP]

Who hires into the Phenom?

So your expensive type rating in a VLJ has gotten you a job offer flying the same cessnas and pipers as your college roommate who saved his/her money in order to buy beer.

I've had similar discussions myself with the faculty member who has been spearheading this program. While I commend his progressive direction for the program (which has languished somewhat for the last decade) cost is obviously a HUGE concern and I've been told that they're working for Phenom type to be a minimal increase over the sum of the B727 simulator courses.

I suppose we'll see...

Outside of dispatch reliability & time between maintenance events, a big reason the Phenom was chosen (and the Cirrus SR20 to replace the Piper Warriors) was the ability of the G1000 to collect dozens of data parameters to be used for research...which is the name of the $$$ game at universities around the country these days.

 

[transampilot]

Flying the Eclipse the burn is 350-400 lbs total an hour with PW-610's. The Phenom burns slightly more with the PW615's I'm guessing ~ 400-500lbs an hour. I have never flown a CRJ or ERJ but aren't they more like 3000 lbs an hour. Big cost saving there if it is true.

 

[Jetjockey]

^^^ Right on I graduate on saturday with a BS in aviation what a jacka$$ I feel like.

No, that part won't come until you get your first job for $21,000 and you realize you paid over $100,000 in educational fees to get it.

Not a rip on you, or the University. Just a general observation on how screwed up this industry is.

 

[LearLove]

The students at Purdue also fly the 2 King Airs with instructors carrying staff to meetings. The students dont pay anything extra to take this course, unlike a lot of schools that do charge.

Your students in the right seat are ballast. they should take the (I'd bet around 20K) $$$$$ they are going to spend on this "type rating" and by Cessna 150 time. At 75/hour rental 20K would be around 250+ hours of PIC and skills like simple VISUAL APPROACHES and judgement/decision making that you are not going to get in some less than 20 hour simulator or "gemni" program in the VLJ. Plus the type is useless at 200 hours anyway.

Geesus Krist - can't people do it the right way. The hard way instead of taking the short cut all the time.

Student to airline WAY #1. Get comm/mel/cfi, instruct (traffic/patrol/banner ect.), fly 135, get 2000 to 3000 hours of teaching and flying pax/freight where you make the calls and run the show. Learn how to deal with checkrides (read 135 SIC and PIC and ATP rides).

Experience dealing with wx when you have to go in an aircraft that needs skill (read GA piston prop) to fly in WX and adverse conditions. Learn how to deal with a boss (read all 135 owners) that pushes you into situations that either bust open or push FAA regs and test the limits of your aircraft capabilities. Develop customer service skills dealing with wealthy pax who don't get told very often they can't do this or that or freight skeds that require demanding ontime performance.

Student to airline WAY #2. Go to college, study something other than "Pro Pilot" (i.e. get your comm/mel for way to much $$$). Then go to the military, scare the crap out of yourself/crew/wingman while learning all the maturing skills you need as a pilot then apply to the airlines.

 

[Lynxman]

Shows what you know of the charter course.

Don't be pissed cause you spent 6 grand on flying others around for their own business.

 

[Lynxman]

No, that part won't come until you get your first job for $21,000 and you realize you paid over $100,000 in educational fees to get it.

Not a rip on you, or the University. Just a general observation on how screwed up this industry is.

I'm going a different route than the 21K a yr after paying 100K to get to where I'm at. Aviation as a major is the biggest joke I've ever heard, I can sum up the last 4 years of it over a few beers and dinner.

 

[Flyprdu]

Are they dropping 400PU for this new plane? That's kind of a size reduction.

 

[BoilerUP]

Are they dropping 400PU for this new plane? That's kind of a size reduction.

Eventually...

Short term, they're getting rid of both B200s and replacing them with this single Phenom 100. 400PU goes away sometime down the road (not sure even they know a timeline yet), with hopes of another Phenom (100 or 300, which is a VAST improvement on the Beechjet).

I have no idea how they expect to replace the lift of both King Airs with a single 5 passenger jet...but they'll also have two FIKI Cirrus SR-22s in the new training fleet that one can only imagine will be used to supplement moving lower-level folks around the state.