"Delta 60 Atlanta Tower, taxiway Mike, cleared to land...plan to exit...ahhhh..standby."
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"Delta 60 Atlanta Tower, taxiway Mike, cleared to land...plan to exit...ahhhh..standby."
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Because the status is not quo!
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The Captain's side...I guess:
The captain of the Northwest Airlines jet that flew hundreds of miles without talking to air-traffic controllers gave two thumbs up after pulling up to the gate and told police he and the co-pilot "had become involved in conversation" and did not hear the radio.
A report released Friday by the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport police sheds new light on Flight 188, which flew about 150 miles past the airport Wednesday night as controllers frantically tried to reach the pilots and the military prepared to launch fighter jets to intercept it.
Controllers repeatedly called the pilots on the radio. Airline officials sent eight separate text messages to a communication system on the Airbus A320 jet. And an attempt was made to reach the pilots on a cellphone, the report said.
All of the attempts failed, the report said.
Officials from Delta Air Lines, which owns Northwest, had "quizzed" the pilots as they approached the airport gate, the report said. "The flight crew indicated only that they were okay and there had been flight deck distractions," police said.
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said in a release that the pilots told police and the FBI after landing that "they were in a heated discussion over airline policy."
The actions of the crew puzzled veteran pilots and aviation safety experts. The jet flew about 600 miles over 78 minutes without talking to controllers through a busy corridor of flights headed into and out of the Chicago area.
It's not uncommon for airline crews to briefly lose contact with controllers, but there are simple procedures pilots can follow to resume contact.
Similarly, the pilots would have had to miss dozens of cues from cockpit instruments over that span indicating that the airline was trying to reach them and that they were nearing their destination, pilots said. For example, the Airbus jets are equipped with electronic maps that show pilots their destination and location.
"It is a huge head scratcher," said Ben Berman, an airline pilot who formerly worked as a National Transportation Safety Board investigator. "I do think there is a lot more to come out."
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said late Friday it had launched an investigation into the actions of the two pilots. The investigation could lead to an emergency suspension or a revocation of their pilots' licenses.
Police identified that captain as Timothy Cheney and the first officer as Richard Cole.
Both men "were cooperative, apologetic and appreciative," the report said. They volunteered to be tested for alcohol in their systems. Both tests were negative.
Documenting exactly what happened may prove difficult, however.
The so-called "black box" that records sounds in the cockpit is a model that stores only about 30 minutes of sound, the NTSB said.
That means that none of the conversation or sounds that occurred while the pilots were out of contact was captured. The crew resumed contact with controllers at 8:14 p.m. and landed about an hour later, according to the NTSB and Delta.
The only thing that could help investigators is if the pilots talked about what had happened earlier, said John Cox, a former airline pilot who is a safety consultant.
"There may be some discussion about it, but mostly it's going to be" a recording of the pilots as they prepared for a normal landing, Cox said.
Investigators also are reviewing the jet's data recorder, which may be more helpful. The data recorder monitors navigation, engines and computers on a jet and could help investigators understand what the pilots were doing during the flight.
The San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight was carrying 144 passengers, three flight attendants and two pilots, Delta Air Lines spokesman Ed Stewart said. Delta and Northwest merged a year ago but still fly under separate names.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) had been preparing to intercept the jet with four fighters, spokesman Michael Kucharek said. Before the fighters could get airborne, the Northwest pilots got back on the radio with controllers, Kucharek said. Unlike when terrorists hijacked jets on Sept. 11, 2001, the Northwest jet continued to send automatic radio beacons to radar that identified it, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown.
The case resembles a Go airlines flight to Hilo, Hawaii, on Feb. 13, 2008, in which both pilots fell asleep. The jet flew for 18 minutes without responding to controllers. It flew past Hilo and was headed toward open ocean when it turned around.
The NTSB has also raised concerns about pilots in several recent fatal accidents who made critical errors after becoming distracted by non-work-related conversations. Federal rules bar pilots from casual conversations below 10,000 feet. The Northwest jet was cruising at 37,000 feet.
Investigators will look at whether fatigue or other factors played a role in Wednesday's incident, said NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway.
After leaving San Diego, the jet flew over Colorado, Kansas and Nebraska. Somewhere in that area, the pilots failed to respond to a controller's instruction to switch radio frequencies, Brown said.
Controllers tried repeatedly to reach the jet, said Brown and Doug Church, with the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. They contacted Delta, hoping it could contact the pilots, Brown said.
The pilots have been relieved of flying duties pending investigations, Stewart said.
Modern jets have auto pilots that allow them to fly long distances with little or no input from pilots.
Contributing: Kevin Johnson
The captain of the Northwest Airlines jet that flew hundreds of miles without talking to air-traffic controllers gave two thumbs up after pulling up to the gate and told police he and the co-pilot "had become involved in conversation" and did not hear the radio.
A report released Friday by the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport police sheds new light on Flight 188, which flew about 150 miles past the airport Wednesday night as controllers frantically tried to reach the pilots and the military prepared to launch fighter jets to intercept it.
Controllers repeatedly called the pilots on the radio. Airline officials sent eight separate text messages to a communication system on the Airbus A320 jet. And an attempt was made to reach the pilots on a cellphone, the report said.
All of the attempts failed, the report said.
Officials from Delta Air Lines, which owns Northwest, had "quizzed" the pilots as they approached the airport gate, the report said. "The flight crew indicated only that they were okay and there had been flight deck distractions," police said.
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said in a release that the pilots told police and the FBI after landing that "they were in a heated discussion over airline policy."
The actions of the crew puzzled veteran pilots and aviation safety experts. The jet flew about 600 miles over 78 minutes without talking to controllers through a busy corridor of flights headed into and out of the Chicago area.
It's not uncommon for airline crews to briefly lose contact with controllers, but there are simple procedures pilots can follow to resume contact.
Similarly, the pilots would have had to miss dozens of cues from cockpit instruments over that span indicating that the airline was trying to reach them and that they were nearing their destination, pilots said. For example, the Airbus jets are equipped with electronic maps that show pilots their destination and location.
"It is a huge head scratcher," said Ben Berman, an airline pilot who formerly worked as a National Transportation Safety Board investigator. "I do think there is a lot more to come out."
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said late Friday it had launched an investigation into the actions of the two pilots. The investigation could lead to an emergency suspension or a revocation of their pilots' licenses.
Police identified that captain as Timothy Cheney and the first officer as Richard Cole.
Both men "were cooperative, apologetic and appreciative," the report said. They volunteered to be tested for alcohol in their systems. Both tests were negative.
Documenting exactly what happened may prove difficult, however.
The so-called "black box" that records sounds in the cockpit is a model that stores only about 30 minutes of sound, the NTSB said.
That means that none of the conversation or sounds that occurred while the pilots were out of contact was captured. The crew resumed contact with controllers at 8:14 p.m. and landed about an hour later, according to the NTSB and Delta.
The only thing that could help investigators is if the pilots talked about what had happened earlier, said John Cox, a former airline pilot who is a safety consultant.
"There may be some discussion about it, but mostly it's going to be" a recording of the pilots as they prepared for a normal landing, Cox said.
Investigators also are reviewing the jet's data recorder, which may be more helpful. The data recorder monitors navigation, engines and computers on a jet and could help investigators understand what the pilots were doing during the flight.
The San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight was carrying 144 passengers, three flight attendants and two pilots, Delta Air Lines spokesman Ed Stewart said. Delta and Northwest merged a year ago but still fly under separate names.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) had been preparing to intercept the jet with four fighters, spokesman Michael Kucharek said. Before the fighters could get airborne, the Northwest pilots got back on the radio with controllers, Kucharek said. Unlike when terrorists hijacked jets on Sept. 11, 2001, the Northwest jet continued to send automatic radio beacons to radar that identified it, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown.
The case resembles a Go airlines flight to Hilo, Hawaii, on Feb. 13, 2008, in which both pilots fell asleep. The jet flew for 18 minutes without responding to controllers. It flew past Hilo and was headed toward open ocean when it turned around.
The NTSB has also raised concerns about pilots in several recent fatal accidents who made critical errors after becoming distracted by non-work-related conversations. Federal rules bar pilots from casual conversations below 10,000 feet. The Northwest jet was cruising at 37,000 feet.
Investigators will look at whether fatigue or other factors played a role in Wednesday's incident, said NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway.
After leaving San Diego, the jet flew over Colorado, Kansas and Nebraska. Somewhere in that area, the pilots failed to respond to a controller's instruction to switch radio frequencies, Brown said.
Controllers tried repeatedly to reach the jet, said Brown and Doug Church, with the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. They contacted Delta, hoping it could contact the pilots, Brown said.
The pilots have been relieved of flying duties pending investigations, Stewart said.
Modern jets have auto pilots that allow them to fly long distances with little or no input from pilots.
Contributing: Kevin Johnson
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Is General Lee on the A320 yet?:laugh:
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Lost their jobs.....AND their tickets! Should NEVER have lied.
By the way, when the Airbus comes to the "End of the yellow brick road," it gives audible clicks....it would have definitely gotten their attention, PROVIDED they were awake.
We are ALL going to pay for THIS mistake. :bawling:
Question here: How loud is an incoming ACARS message on that thing. The CRJ is so loud, I wear an adult diaper, just in case it goes off in flight.
I'm starting to think those guys were watching movies on their laptops, with earbuds!!!
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Lost their jobs.....AND their tickets! Should NEVER have lied.
By the way, when the Airbus comes to the "End of the yellow brick road," it gives audible clicks....it would have definitely gotten their attention, PROVIDED they were awake.
We are ALL going to pay for THIS mistake. :bawling:
The NTSB is pushing for cameras to be installed in the flight deck.
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Will they come with alarm clocks?
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Yes, Radio. They will come with alarm clocks.
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Can you imagine how much Duct Tape will be used for the "Cover-Up" operation? Or the FINGER being shot at the camera. LOL
The chirp is fairly loud...if they had ear buds in, your right, they probably would not have heard it. I STILL say they were ASLEEP! ;-)
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The ACARS on the bus doesn't make any sound typically. In this situation, it wouldn't have made a sound.
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I take it you got turned down at a major???? Or did they even call you.
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That would be a big "YES"!
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Do I sound like some pathetic mainline pilot, so full of myself that I would trade verbage on the regional boards, giving myself yet another opportunity to remind everyone of my status?
No...that would be you guys...and the general.
So, go back to your country clubs and champagne fountains and leave me in my closet of self loathing doubt. I am nothing. I am not worth the retinal effort you spend reading my posts. Your keyboard strokes are wasted with the act of a reply. Do not look upon me with pity, I pray, for you are the less for the effort and I would not wish that upon one as high as thee!!! Ye...varily!!!!!
No...that would be you guys...and the general.
So, go back to your country clubs and champagne fountains and leave me in my closet of self loathing doubt. I am nothing. I am not worth the retinal effort you spend reading my posts. Your keyboard strokes are wasted with the act of a reply. Do not look upon me with pity, I pray, for you are the less for the effort and I would not wish that upon one as high as thee!!! Ye...varily!!!!!
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No you sound like some sniveling crying little dickhead rj lifer loser who's mad that his career, much like his social life is in the gutter!
Great. Now back to your closet. I'm sure you're due to come out any day now. Does the sunlight hurt your eyes?
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