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Voice Of Reason

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...you fail to realize that these two pilots are HUMAN BEINGS with a VERY LONG record of experience that was untarnished until now. Whether or not you feel you are infallible (and never did anything but stare at controls on your every flight)...have some $%^&&()g compassion if only for the fact that these guys just lost the only (non transferrable) career they have ever known, and none of your ignorant anonymous message board bashing can compare to what they are probably internalizing on their own right now.
Let's hope your ALPA people are insisting on in depth counseling for these guys. There has been enough sorrow in this economy when people think they have lost everything...nevermind seeing the whole world (AND THEIR PERFECT FELLOW PILOTS) against them.
These guys' lives aren't jokes... They didn't kill anyone (not even close)...don't be part of the lynch mob that could "kill" them.
Think about it.
 
I just posted a similar thought on the other thread. I agree with you. They deserve some consequences, but we don't have to completely destroy them.
 
I have questions about fatigue judging by the layover duration - 17-19 hours, it would appear to me that their circadian rhythm was possibly a bit off. I'm assuming they did the early departure westbound the day before, and on the incident day may have been awake for quite a while. The laptop story was a huge error in judgement if it was just a cover up attempt, if they had just claimed fatigue they may actually have had a real case.
 
I just posted a similar thought on the other thread. I agree with you. They deserve some consequences, but we don't have to completely destroy them.

It is very upsetting....it seems like every two minutes during this economy we have been hearing about stressed out people committing suicide.

These are mostly people that don't have the stalkerish media pounding down their doors in addition to the venom from an unbelievably large group of collegues that can't lift a finger to HELP further the profession...but have no problem adding to its anonymous destruction... (playing right into the hands of those that benefit from the further degredation of the profession).

The trolls on here do MUCH WORSE for the degredation of this profession in a 10 second post than these two could ever do in the one hour of their tens of thousands of flight hours in their careers.

No one came close to dying...but some won't be happy until someone does, apparently.

The anger in this society has become pretty savage. Let's go back to pretending we are human again and not so p*ssed off at the world...it's all as miserable as YOU EACH make it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzNrO54xsY
Everything is Amazing, Nobody is Happy (a/k/a The secret to happiness is the be thankful)
 
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...you fail to realize that these two pilots are HUMAN BEINGS with a VERY LONG record of experience that was untarnished until now. Whether or not you feel you are infallible (and never did anything but stare at controls on your every flight)...have some $%^&&()g compassion if only for the fact that these guys just lost the only (non transferrable) career they have ever known, and none of your ignorant anonymous message board bashing can compare to what they are probably internalizing on their own right now.
Let's hope your ALPA people are insisting on in depth counseling for these guys. There has been enough sorrow in this economy when people think they have lost everything...nevermind seeing the whole world (AND THEIR PERFECT FELLOW PILOTS) against them.
These guys' lives aren't jokes... They didn't kill anyone (not even close)...don't be part of the lynch mob that could "kill" them.
Think about it.

I usually disagree with everything you say , but that's a pretty nice statement above!
 
yet the regional guys that had the RW Incursion the other day in LAX will be fine. The logic in this country pisses me off.
 
yet the regional guys that had the RW Incursion the other day in LAX will be fine. The logic in this country pisses me off.
When it's regional pilots being fried, it's ok. They're idiots to begin with.
But when it's Mainline guys, they're human beings with thousands of hours of experience.
Get off your high horse. These guys screwed up and deserve the lashing they get from their colleagues. They gave our profession another black eye.....then lied about it.
 
BTW--

Do pilots now have to worry about who associated with these things (maintenance who sees the logs, or other) is going to sell their NAMES to the tabloid media????? Perhaps we need to focus on other types of "security" measures for those in this profession.

(FYI--You can start with helping yourself by taking your home addresses off the FAA public search if you haven't already, as well).

Especially after this event, it should be clear that no one talks to ANYONE without an attorney present. Does ALPA have a card that you can carry to guide you in such matters?

...For example, something to the effect of:

"In light of previous federal investigations that were played out in the media....to prevent my words to you from being twisted in the public forum, and the fact that the results of this conversation may impact my career, I will need to have my attorney present while I fully cooperate with your investigation"

Put your applicable union rep, attorney (whether union or non), and/or other # in your speed dial and get them there asap.



Majors, regional, fracs, or corp...does not matter. Stop the bitterness here... these are real and from many accounts kind people, not nameless/ faceless evil beings you conjured up in your heads that got the jobs you wanted
 
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Once the media hype and all the politicians are done benefitting from this unfortunate event, I think Delta could show integrity, compassion and respect by hiring them for a non-flying job. From what I hear, their work records, FAA records, driving records are spotless. More compassion and the benefit of doubt is given to pedophiles than these two gentlemen. Revoking their license and destroying their ability to generate an income in the aviation community only serves the interests of public officials looking to capitalize on the media hysteria.

God forbid jetBlue lose contact with NY Center while both pilots are checking their COMPANY ISSUED LAPTOPS for the recent revision to their CAT III equipment list before conducting a low min approach.
 
Hopefully their revocation won't be permanent. They did screw up and deserve to be fined, but a permanent revocation would be too extreme in my opinion. Hopefully we wont end up with cameras in the cockpit either.
 

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