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[General Lee]

It's only an accident if the was intent to or actually flew. MX were the only folks on board. No passengers.

It is still called an accident, actually a "Hull Loss Accident", which still has it's own category. Here is the definition according to Wikipedia, and it was stated that way in the top part of the example.

"an accident in which the damage to the aircraft is such that it must be written off, or in which the plane is destroyed is called a hull loss accident".


How would an insurance company describe it? An "ooopsy dooopsy?"
Good old tard Budd wasn't specific, he just stated Mesaba never had an "accident" in 65 years, and that was incorrect.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BoilerUP]

It is still called an accident, actually a "Hull Loss Accident", which still has it's own category. Here is the definition according to Wikipedia, and it was stated that way in the top part of the example.

The FAIL is strong in this one...

"Aircraft accident" means an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx/49cfr830.html

Besides, your own source (the one involving a maintenance taxi ground incident that you're trying to make into an accident) wasn't even investigated by the NTSB...

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's only an accident if the was intent to or actually flew. MX were the only folks on board. No passengers.

True there were no "passengers" however both flight attendands and the first officer that were to fly that plane when it got back to the gate were onboard in the back. The captain was standing on the jet bridge (or more accurately trying to run back up it) And they suffered injuries from this incident.

 

[wmuflyguy]

It is still called an accident, actually a "Hull Loss Accident", which still has it's own category. Here is the definition according to Wikipedia, and it was stated that way in the top part of the example.

"an accident in which the damage to the aircraft is such that it must be written off, or in which the plane is destroyed is called a hull loss accident".


How would an insurance company describe it? An "ooopsy dooopsy?"
Good old tard Budd wasn't specific, he just stated Mesaba never had an "accident" in 65 years, and that was incorrect.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You didn't just source Wikipedia did you?

 

[General Lee]

You didn't just source Wikipedia did you?

Why yes, yes I did. I even stated that. It is better than making up stuff, which some people do on here. And, I gave a reference.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The FAIL is strong in this one...



http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx/49cfr830.html

Besides, your own source (the one involving a maintenance taxi ground incident that you're trying to make into an accident) wasn't even investigated by the NTSB...

Ooops. So you didn't know there were people in the back (crew) and the Captain got hurt when the plane hit the jetway? Hmmm. So, what would it be called? A "brown stain" moment? What about that new A340 that went full reverse during testing at Toulouse, France a few months back? It was totally destroyed. How would you categorize that? Just an incident?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[OPECJet]

Why yes, yes I did. I even stated that. It is better than making up stuff, which some people do on here. And, I gave a reference.


Bye Bye--General Lee

WTF do you think Wikipedia is?

 

[General Lee]

WTF do you think Wikipedia is?

Are you incharge of who tells information? It is a great reference, unless you like making up information yourself. I guess YOU decide which information is correct and which is not. Wow, you should run a government.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BoilerUP]

Ooops. So you didn't know there were people in the back (crew) and the Captain got hurt when the plane hit the jetway? Hmmm. So, what would it be called?

An incident...per the NTSB 830.2 quote and link I provided in my previous post.

You *did* look at those, right?

What about that new A340 that went full reverse during testing at Toulouse, France a few months back? It was totally destroyed. How would you categorize that smarty pants?

I'd categorize it as a cause to update the resume...but that's not important.

AGAIN, because that A340 was being ground tested and wasn't intended at that time to fly, it would be an incident per the NTSB and not an accident.

Facts are stubborn things, General...and the facts don't support your claim.

 

[OPECJet]

Are you incharge of who tells information? It is a great reference, unless you like making up information yourself. I guess YOU decide which information is correct and which is not. Wow, you should run a government.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Now THERE's an idea for this possible furlough coming up! Thanks General!!

Lighten up man. No need to go on the defensive. I think Wikipedia is GOOD source of info, but I just can't add the "great" to it. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Monster Buck]

General, get off Mesaba's record. They have an impeccable record and going against pilots on here saying that it counts because some mechanic taxied a plane into a jet bridge is weak to say the least. The bitch slapping on both sides is entertaining but going against Mesaba's safety record is futile. You won't win.

 

[i fly boxes]

Guys, you can't knock Mesaba for their saftey record. I dont work there but they have a really good one (knock on wood of course) Skywest also has an excellent safety record.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Why yes, yes I did. I even stated that. It is better than making up stuff, which some people do on here. And, I gave a reference.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Anybody can edit Wikipedia entries. I personally use it as a starting point but would never cite it as a source of info as you don't always know where or who the info is coming from. Some entries are now providing citations for their content, so it is getting better, but it is far from reliable.

Especially when NTSB 830 is a fairly easy starting point for accident definitions.

 

[USCtrojan]

As history has shown, anytime General Lee and his other screenname ScopeoutRJ's enter a thread, you might as well shut it down. It becomes worthless immediately.

Trojan

 

[gnx99]

The fact remains that Mesaba has been around 65+ years and has never killed a passenger or person on the ground from an accident.

That cannot be said for Delta, Northwest, Southwest, American, US Airway, Comair, ASA, Pinnacle, etc....