DCI - 100, 50-Seaters and All Turboprops To Go.

[B727FA]

I am pretty sure they have CRJ-700s too. You may want to take that back.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Fleet Transition Plan

In late 2005, Horizon Air announced an order for 12 more 76-seat Bombardier Q400 aircraft. In 2006, Horizon exercised an option to add an additional Q400 to the order. All of these aircraft are now part of Horizon's fleet.

In late 2006, Horizon announced a plan to sublease up to 16 of its 37-seat Q200 aircraft to CommutAir in Platsburgh, N.Y. The first aircraft left Horizon in January, and the rest are scheduled to leave at the rate of one per month from March 2007 through May 2008.

In late 2006, Horizon and Frontier Airlines announced their mutual decision to end Horizon's Frontier JetExpress contract. The return of all nine aircraft that were deployed to Denver will be completed by December, 2007.

In April 2007, Horizon announced an order for an additional 15 Q400 aircraft, with delivery continue through August 2009. As these Q400s arrive, Horizon plans to phase out all of its remaining Q200 aircraft. In April 2008, Horizon announced plans to phase out its CRJ-700 aircraft and move toward a single fuel-efficient, economically advantageous fleet of Q400s.

The larger aircraft will allow Horizon to increase capacity to certain existing markets currently served with Q200s, expand into new markets, and offer customers even greater fare values in the future.
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So, no, I don't quite wish to "take that back" but amend my post: I *should* have said "I believe the are all Q400 again," as that's where they are going. Score for the General on a technicality. I humbly wither in your superior knowledge. :laugh:

 

[B727FA]

That is NOT correct when it comes to BK. You will LOSE everytime against a judge. And, you still haven't responded to your All Q-400 remark for Horizon. That is incredibly wrong, and your own credibility is suspect for sure.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Relax, Becky...your thong is showing above your tramp-stamp.

I said one never gets what they're worth, but what they negotiate. I never mentioned BK. If you'd take your ativan and not assume everyone is against you (boo!), you'd realize I was, in essence, agreeing with you.

Finally, pipe down on the "incredibly wrong" and how "suspect" my credibility is right now. Your histrionics call into question your stability.

Chill...(though, you're wise to be wary, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean we're NOT out to get you!

 

[General Lee]

Relax, Becky...your thong is showing above your tramp-stamp.

I said one never gets what they're worth, but what they negotiate. I never mentioned BK. If you'd take your ativan and not assume everyone is against you (boo!), you'd realize I was, in essence, agreeing with you.

Finally, pipe down on the "incredibly wrong" and how "suspect" my credibility is right now. Your histrionics call into question your stability.

Chill...(though, you're wise to be wary, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean we're NOT out to get you!

You really are feisty for a stew. Histrionics? Say what? You are making words up now. Your credibility really is sinking to an all time low, even on FI. And, I am not paranoid Silly Sally, actually I enjoy debating people like you. It really is fun and easy. Take a look at Flightaware and see what planes are CURRENTLY flying for any airline. You will easily see Horizon flying their CR7s right now. As far as what they will be flying in the future, you know that changes almost every week. They may say one thing, but then Alaska Air wants them to fly their CR7s to Mexico from LA, and that changes everything. Things change at the drop of a hat. Bye now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[B727FA]

You really are feisty for a stew. Histrionics? Say what? You are making words up now. Your credibility really is sinking to an all time low, even on FI. And, I am not paranoid Silly Sally, actually I enjoy debating people like you. It really is fun and easy.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Aww, shucks, are you a real general? I ain't never been in such company. Why fiddle-dee-dee, I declare I'm a blushin'!:blush: Smooches!

BTW:
Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others. Associated features may include egocentricity, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, feelings that are easily hurt, and persistent manipulative behaviour to achieve own needs.

Sounds like a "real word" to me. Next...I'm done playing with you. Give me a challenge.

 

[General Lee]

Aww, shucks, are you a real general? I ain't never been in such company. Why fiddle-dee-dee, I declare I'm a blushin'!:blush: Smooches!

Not really a general, rather a Colonel. They call me Colonel Angus. (just like on SNL).

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[B727FA]

See edited post.

 

[General Lee]

Aww, shucks, are you a real general? I ain't never been in such company. Why fiddle-dee-dee, I declare I'm a blushin'!:blush: Smooches!

BTW:
Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others. Associated features may include egocentricity, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, feelings that are easily hurt, and persistent manipulative behaviour to achieve own needs.

Sounds like a "real word" to me. Next...I'm done playing with you. Give me a challenge.

How about knowing which planes are in which fleets? You need a challenge? Go look them up so you can be correct. Until then, learn to debate with facts. And wow, you know some medical terms. That's FANTASTIC. You and Dr. Phil must be close. Go to an Oprah forum and debate the heck out of him. You know those terms better than you know your aviation fleets. I bet you still think Delta flies 727s.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I think he just said call him Colonel Anus!

 

[General Lee]

I think he just said call him Colonel Anus!

Just cause you want to see it doesn't mean I will show you. Leave me a lone you perv! I don't go that way (not that there is anything wrong with that).

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CA1900]

... all turboprops (Saabs) will be gone in "2-3 years".

That plan worked so well for Continental when they tried it.

 

[Tarzan]

I think he just said call him Colonel Anus!

Seconded.

 

[B727FA]

How about knowing which planes are in which fleets?

Oh for God's sake, 18 CRJ and 37 Q400.

Histrionics? Say what? You are making words up now.

I'm pretty sure I wasn't...oh, that's right, I called you out on that one (like you so cleverly tried to do on the Horizon fleet you little trickster!). But, to your credit, you manned up and acknowledged that you didn't know the word "histrionic." Wait, no...I think you said:

And wow, you know some medical terms.

Apparently you don't know them, eh? Aww, that's ok. We're all here to learn.

I bet you still think Delta flies 727s.

Oh silly boy, the last DL 727 flight was April 6th 2003, GSO-ATL. Now for the cherry on top: last flight op'd by DL was #9901 Ship #590 Dep:1917 Arr:2037 and it took a MX prior to dept. (Were you the switch bitch on that one?)

Facts enough for ya? Honestly, don't you feel just a little silly getting all worked up over "proving" to me that Horizon still ops CRJ (for a while longer)?

Bye Bye--General Lee

But he keeps coming back back.

 

[USCtrojan]

Oh for God's sake, 18 CRJ and 37 Q400.

I'm pretty sure I wasn't...oh, that's right, I called you out on that one (like you so cleverly tried to do on the Horizon fleet you little trickster!). But, to your credit, you manned up and acknowledged that you didn't know the word "histrionic." Wait, no...I think you said:

Apparently you don't know them, eh? Aww, that's ok. We're all here to learn.

Oh silly boy, the last DL 727 flight was April 6th 2003, GSO-ATL. Now for the cherry on top: last flight op'd by DL was #9901 Ship #590 Dep:1917 Arr:2037 and it took a MX prior to dept. (Were you the switch bitch on that one?)

Facts enough for ya? Honestly, don't you feel just a little silly getting all worked up over "proving" to me that Horizon still ops CRJ (for a while longer)?


But he keeps coming back back.

Nice!

Trojan

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There is a lot going on with regards to this. I think that you will see more than 100 50 seaters gone.

Also, I agree Willy. A lot is coming with regards to this. The wording would have to be so that, it could not just be done by a WO carrier.

 

[go!ng for broke]

I'm going to drop through my hole, dry up in the sun and blow away. Regional thread

 

[General Lee]

Oh for God's sake, 18 CRJ and 37 Q400.

I'm pretty sure I wasn't...oh, that's right, I called you out on that one (like you so cleverly tried to do on the Horizon fleet you little trickster!). But, to your credit, you manned up and acknowledged that you didn't know the word "histrionic." Wait, no...I think you said:

Apparently you don't know them, eh? Aww, that's ok. We're all here to learn.

Oh silly boy, the last DL 727 flight was April 6th 2003, GSO-ATL. Now for the cherry on top: last flight op'd by DL was #9901 Ship #590 Dep:1917 Arr:2037 and it took a MX prior to dept. (Were you the switch bitch on that one?)

Facts enough for ya? Honestly, don't you feel just a little silly getting all worked up over "proving" to me that Horizon still ops CRJ (for a while longer)?


But he keeps coming back back.

Wow, I am impressed. Kinda spunky, and I like that. I look forward to more spirited debates. Looks like your medical knowledge rivials my airline industry knowledge. Well done. Ciao. (and yes, I keep coming back, I actually enjoy this forum and the industry overall)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TurboAWD]

Fred "Greed" was Fred Reid, our President at Delta at the time. He thought businessmen wanted "frequency", and parked a lot of the mainline birds and then added 50 seat RJs. Fred then left DL to go start Virgin America, where he DID NOT add any 50 seaters. I guess he learned his lesson while watching Delta go down the toilet. Richard Anderson is now trying to clean up Fred's mess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Woosh.... right over your head...

Turbo

 

[General Lee]

Woosh.... right over your head...

Turbo

Wait, was that the sound of your theory going down the toilet? Were you there when Fred Reid made those awful decisions? He never made them at VA---decided RJs weren't right for them I guess. Why don't you explain your above statement so I can dismantle it. Unless, that is, you aren't up for it. (very likely)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TurboAWD]

Wait, was that the sound of your theory going down the toilet? Were you there when Fred Reid made those awful decisions? He never made them at VA---decided RJs weren't right for them I guess. Why don't you explain your above statement so I can dismantle it. Unless, that is, you aren't up for it. (very likely)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Relax... I am just saying that I think Doin Time knows darn well who Reid is, and who you were talking about. Not everyone is trying to start an argument with you, you know...

Turbo

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Wait, was that the sound of your theory going down the toilet? Were you there when Fred Reid made those awful decisions? He never made them at VA---decided RJs weren't right for them I guess. Why don't you explain your above statement so I can dismantle it. Unless, that is, you aren't up for it. (very likely)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe because VA pays its pilots flying A320's like they are flying 50 seat RJ's

 

[General Lee]

Relax... I am just saying that I think Doin Time knows darn well who Reid is, and who you were talking about. Not everyone is trying to start an argument with you, you know...

Turbo

Relax? Maybe you should reword your statements so I don't have to go nuclear. If you re-read your statement, it didn't sound like what you just described.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Maybe because VA pays its pilots flying A320's like they are flying 50 seat RJ's

Yes, their pilot pay is less, but that is a fraction of the total costs. From SFO they fly to SNA, LAS, LAX, PDX, and SEA, along with transcons. I believe SkyWest does the same from SFO right now for UAL(sans the transcons thank gawd). So, maybe Reid could have added RJs for shorthaul, but he DID NOT---because he learned something on the way out from Delta.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Yes, their pilot pay is less, but that is a fraction of the total costs. From SFO they fly to SNA, LAS, LAX, PDX, and SEA, along with transcons. I believe SkyWest does the same from SFO right now for UAL(sans the transcons thank gawd). So, maybe Reid could have added RJs for shorthaul, but he DID NOT---because he learned something on the way out from Delta.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I am blaming a combination of pay, fuel costs, acquisition costs, and usefulness in thier size airline. Basically with RJ's they would be a west coast Independence air. I'd bet if VA had to pay its pilots Delta pre BK or United 2000 pay and fuel was still 20/barrel, it'd be much more likely they'd be glad to give Mesa a place for all thier planes being dumped.

 

[Fltlvls]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

 

[79%N1]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

I'm all for it! If it will shut up The Private forever so I never have to hear his whiny little crybaby you know what again, I say do it! Then who will he target his misplaced anger to? He probably wont be happy until 75's, 76's and 777's fly all legs to all cities! Go for it Wee!

 

[JumpersAway]

I made twice what the normal regional Captain makes last year, maybe a bit more. I flew the max, and I greenslip about once every couple months thanks to my high seniority on the 767ER. As far as pre-BK wages, sure, I made more then. I was making more then compared to what most current 767 Captains make now. And, when you go to BK, you are NOT paid what you are worth, you are paid whatever the judge decides. You should know that you dimwit. We are working on higher pay, but again when mitigating circumstances halt your progress (like negotiating during high oil--$140 a barrel), there is not much anyone can do. Also, having a higher pay rate doesn't always equate to having what you are worth. A high DC percentage, better work rules, etc can also make up for lost pay per hour. We didn't lose everything in BK you know. Oh wait, I guess you don't know, since a lot of what you said made you look clueless. You really do need a lecture.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow- I must have hit a nerve..........I love it! Hey, if you would worry about your own pay, instead of someone else's, we might start seeing progress in this industry........................

I would LOVE a lecture from you General, bring your best!

 

[General Lee]

Wow- I must have hit a nerve..........I love it! Hey, if you would worry about your own pay, instead of someone else's, we might start seeing progress in this industry........................

I would LOVE a lecture from you General, bring your best!

Unfortunately our last two negotiations were under bad circumstances. Prior to our combined contract with NWA, the last one was in BK court. Maybe you don't know much about that (and I hope you never do), but it is a "real tough crowd" in BK court. Hard to get much leverage at all. The next attempt which I stated before was our dual contract with NWA. Unfortunately at the time, oil was at $140 a barrel. We wanted to get it done pre-seniority merge after seeing what happened to USAir East and West. With high oil as the elephant in the room, we were only able to squeeze a 17% raise over 4 years, plus some stock in the company, plus an extra couple % on our DC funds. Not terrible, not great at all. Of course oil then fell to $35 a barrel, and we were already locked in. Even Delta thought we were going to $150 a barrel, since they hedged a bunch at over $100 a barrel (that is why we have lost money over the last few quarters--all bad hedges). Obviously DL didn't think they were pulling one over on us, since they had made a huge hedge themselves.

So, it all depends on what is going on around you. We have had a couple of bad rounds these last 2 times, but we are aimed to do well the next time, unless Mars attacks!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'm all for it! If it will shut up The Private forever so I never have to hear his whiny little crybaby you know what again, I say do it! Then who will he target his misplaced anger to? He probably wont be happy until 75's, 76's and 777's fly all legs to all cities! Go for it Wee!

Even RA says your flying is going away, and soon you will be flying pax for United. Go enjoy that. Our DC9s will be flying to a lot of the places you have enjoyed over the last few years, and hopefully that will continue into the future with a future 100 seater that won't be going to you. But you do have something to look forward to----being hired at United maybe.(after all of their furloughs come back someday)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

Hey, somebody has to dig ditches..... Honestly though, many RJs do need to be parked, nobody likes them anymore. Even the bean counters are wincing. Good ole Mike Boyd has seen the future, and RA is listening! More RJs mean less mainline jobs, which historically are better paying and have better benefits. Too many 300 hour wonders from Riddle have flooded the airways, and now think they are entitled to a job at a mainline. That just AIN'T the case. More DC9s or A319s are a good thing. You really need to start understanding that point. Say it with me: "More Mainline planes GOOD, MORE RJs BAD..." Repeat 10 times please.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Even RA says your flying is going away, and soon you will be flying pax for United. Go enjoy that. Our DC9s will be flying to a lot of the places you have enjoyed over the last few years, and hopefully that will continue into the future with a future 100 seater that won't be going to you. But you do have something to look forward to----being hired at United maybe.(after all of their furloughs come back someday)


Bye Bye---General Lee

Did he say that dipwad, or are you dreaming that up in your crazy little mind? Hmmm. Thats funny. ASA has a 15 year contract to fly for Delta. So they are just getting rid of all their feed, and going to fly old a$$ DC9's to MLU, BTR, CAE, DHN, CHA, GTR, CSG, ABY, OTK, BQK, TRI, TYS, LEX, etc for quadruple the cost?!?!?!? GREAT MOVE RA!!! You are the best CEO since Frank Lorenzo himself. Anyway, he never said that, and you are a loser of epic, monumental proportions. So, show me the quote where Richard Anderson said that Delta is terminating ASA's flying! Go ahead, can you back up just one of your STUPID posts?

By the way......Good on ASA to find other flying to diversify from Delta and their fickle flight schedules. I'm certain we will enjoy it, Private.