5 frontier airbuses going to mke

[ultrarunner]

I would agree Fam62c, pretty much poor planning from the start...but no surprise there. However, at the end of the day, the folks in MKE still want to get from A to B and back, and on the cheap. The days of being brand-loyal for a hot meal on real plates, etc., is over, and has been for some time.

You'll get a few corp-types that ONLY FLY Midwest, but that's few and far between now. There is no more "home town" airline. It's gone and in a few months, the last couple of airframes that go with it.

It will pass. We've seen it before. We all went boo-hoo when Eastern went TU, same with PanAm, et. al. We'll get over it. I just can't believe there are any cheese-heads loosing sleep over this.

 

[B727FA]

The key for Republic will be getting all of their system-wide employees to work for less than the competition..........this is one thing they seem to be very good at doing.

It won't do any good to show, yet again, that RAH isn't the lowest in *any* category, right?

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'd like to know how RAH thinks they can make money where 2 other airlines (YZ and F9) couldn't. If you get a flat tire, you don't replace the 3 remaining good ones with flats just so they match.

How much IMF money is Embraer going to throw at RAH before they see the light?

 

[Full of LUV]

They should have seen this coming....

What's wrong with it is the 400 Midex pilots that were $hit canned to make it happen. That's whats wrong!!

400 MIDEX pilots should have said, "over my dead job" the day the RAH takeover of their flying commenced until they had an iron clad contract that specified their fate. Instead, the top 200 said nothing as the bottom 200 hit the streets, and only now that the rest is threatened is it a big deal. They effectively handed the company over to RAH, when they should have said here is the corpse.... Now according to other posts, even the senior FA's at MIDEX via their MEC are negotiating to save themselves while walking on the junior half of the list, and union leaders wonder why the young don't rush to join the flock.....
LUV

 

[deadstick]

Remember that Midwest was losing money at an alarming rate and Frontier had to file Chapter 11 so they aren't exactly starting with great raw materials to build their new airline from. The key for Republic will be getting all of their system-wide employees to work for less than the competition..........this is one thing they seem to be very good at doing.

Well, when your labor rate (max) goes from $250/hr and $253/hr down to $156/hr, it adds up. From what I recall, Frontier only went Ch11 was because the credit card company started holding more $$ back.

This whole deal stick like a pigs farm.

 

[CitationLover]

I'm confused. So are these buses going to be repainted in Midwest colors? If so, further violation of our CBA. If not, F9 is simply doing the dirty work that RAH started.

 

[Indy319FA]

This is going to start to get confusing for the customers. Republic bought Midwest and they have replaced Midwest airplanes with Republic airplanes painted like Midwest airplanes and now are replacing those with Frontier airplanes and they are replacing Frontier airplanes in DEN with Republic airplanes painted like Midwest airplanes. What was the point of buying known brands in both MKE and DEN only to put airplanes with another brand in the markets? Sooner or later they are going to have to pick one brand and stick with it if they want to have any kind of coordinated marketing plan and build/maintain brand loyalty.

My suspicion is all of this flying will be under one brand eventually. My guess is Frontier, but that's just a guess. For right now the Midwest and Frontier aircraft are going to remain in their current paint jobs.

 

[king10pin02]

I'm confused. So are these buses going to be repainted in Midwest colors? If so, further violation of our CBA. If not, F9 is simply doing the dirty work that RAH started.

no, they will not be painted in the YX blue.

 

[CitationLover]

no, they will not be painted in the YX blue.

The press release said "midwest brand", didn't know if it's simply the code share or literal.

 

[Popeye0537]

Only the cookies will be the "midwest brand", and I'm sure with time they will go away just like the lemons did over at WN. I still don't understand how they can save that much money by just getting rid of lemons! But hey, "IT'S ON"

 

[Jetjockey]

In the end it will not matter, SWA will clean house.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I'm confused. So are these buses going to be repainted in Midwest colors? If so, further violation of our CBA. If not, F9 is simply doing the dirty work that RAH started.

I feel very bad for you and your former colleagues. You might as well just accept the fact that your job is gone and you probably will never get recalled to anything other than a $37/hour first officer job flying a 190. If you're lucky, you might top out at about $50/hour (I'm guessing that will be the new f/o max when a new contract is signed). It sucks big time, but the Republic pilots really don't care what you think. The Frontier pilots don't care either as long as they keep their jobs. In the end, I think they will end up like you. They just don't know it yet. Everyone is out for themselves so we are taken down one at a time. It's easy for the Republic pilots to buy into this merger since they have virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain. An arbitrator found that your CBA is not being violated in the courts' eyes. That same arbitrator recently refused to reopen the case. Everything is working against the Midwest pilots and no one cares because it is not them. Let this show you the true colors of your fellow aviators from all airlines. We will all step on you if it benefits us.

 

[Popeye0537]

In the end it will not matter, SWA will clean house.

Like they have been doing in Denver?

 

[CitationLover]

Like they have been doing in Denver?

Don't you have cookies to serve on your scab flight? You shouldn't post when boarding, you should be looking for ABP's.

 

[Full of LUV]

Unfortunately.....

I feel very bad for you and your former colleagues. You might as well just accept the fact that your job is gone and you probably will never get recalled to anything other than a $37/hour first officer job flying a 190. If you're lucky, you might top out at about $50/hour (I'm guessing that will be the new f/o max when a new contract is signed). It sucks big time, but the Republic pilots really don't care what you think. The Frontier pilots don't care either as long as they keep their jobs. In the end, I think they will end up like you. They just don't know it yet. Everyone is out for themselves so we are taken down one at a time. It's easy for the Republic pilots to buy into this merger since they have virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain. An arbitrator found that your CBA is not being violated in the courts' eyes. That same arbitrator recently refused to reopen the case. Everything is working against the Midwest pilots and no one cares because it is not them. Let this show you the true colors of your fellow aviators from all airlines. We will all step on you if it benefits us.

Unfortunately Hockeypilot speaks the truth...... That is why MIDEX should have done themselves what they are asking everyone else to do, create a job action that would get management to leave their high paying jobs in place. It is now not in RAH's or Frontier's interest to do so.... You have to help yourself before others will feel sympathy, now everyone else is just thankful it wasn't their group targeted for replacement.