5 frontier airbuses going to mke

[FlyWolf]

F9 A319 in Milwaukee flying Midwest routes?? wake up you are next. I would have taken that staple to SWA even if I had to get furloughed for few years. Good luck all.

 

[starchkr]

F9 A319 in Milwaukee flying Midwest routes?? wake up you are next. I would have taken that staple to SWA even if I had to get furloughed for few years. Good luck all.

Soooo, what's wrong with the 319's flying "old" Midwest routes? Are you saying they were crappy routes? The 319 will be bale to reach destinations from MKE that Midwest could not do directly, so that is a plus. The staple to the botom of SWA...huh, there was a good idea, i'm not even going to comment anymore on that, it's over.

eightdriver...I'm sorry that Midwest is going away, and in no way am i defending anyone here, but...why doesn't eveyone realize that BB and RAH didn't do to Midwest what they think they did. When the current course was set in motion, RAH didn't own Midwest, rather TPG and NWA did. So why wouldn't you be mad at them? I don't understand the philosophy of blaming your current owners for the mistakes and choices by your previous owners. That would be like F9 blaming Menke for Potter's poor choices back in the day.

 

[likeitis]

Soooo, what's wrong with the 319's flying "old" Midwest routes? Are you saying they were crappy routes? The 319 will be bale to reach destinations from MKE that Midwest could not do directly, so that is a plus. The staple to the botom of SWA...huh, there was a good idea, i'm not even going to comment anymore on that, it's over.

eightdriver...I'm sorry that Midwest is going away, and in no way am i defending anyone here, but...why doesn't eveyone realize that BB and RAH didn't do to Midwest what they think they did. When the current course was set in motion, RAH didn't own Midwest, rather TPG and NWA did. So why wouldn't you be mad at them? I don't understand the philosophy of blaming your current owners for the mistakes and choices by your previous owners. That would be like F9 blaming Menke for Potter's poor choices back in the day.

Because BB had his hands in decisions at Midwest up to a year prior to the merger. Many of these decision like returning 717s were done while he working this plan.

By no means were Tim and his buddies not idiots but the final destruction was orchestrated by the Rev.

 

[CitationLover]

Soooo, what's wrong with the 319's flying "old" Midwest routes? Are you saying they were crappy routes? The 319 will be bale to reach destinations from MKE that Midwest could not do directly, so that is a plus. The staple to the botom of SWA...huh, there was a good idea, i'm not even going to comment anymore on that, it's over.

eightdriver...I'm sorry that Midwest is going away, and in no way am i defending anyone here, but...why doesn't eveyone realize that BB and RAH didn't do to Midwest what they think they did. When the current course was set in motion, RAH didn't own Midwest, rather TPG and NWA did. So why wouldn't you be mad at them? I don't understand the philosophy of blaming your current owners for the mistakes and choices by your previous owners. That would be like F9 blaming Menke for Potter's poor choices back in the day.

Those who do not learn history are bound to repeat it. We shall see your comments when Bedfords foot is at your throats.

 

[StaySeated]

"Because BB had his hands in decisions at Midwest up to a year prior to the merger. Many of these decision like returning 717s were done while he working this plan."

I understand that Midwest ALPA believe that the 717's were given back, while the court recently stated that Boeing took them back.

I am not trying to start a war of words here, but if Midwest ALPA was accurate and the 717's were given back, why could they provide proof during the arbitration last week?

The judge basically said that the routes no longer exist and boeing took the aircraft back as a condition of the leases that allowed them to move all 25 to an airline in mexico. This is rather important, considering the premise of the arbitration. How could there be no proof supporting midwest alpa's position?

 

[likeitis]

"Because BB had his hands in decisions at Midwest up to a year prior to the merger. Many of these decision like returning 717s were done while he working this plan."

I understand that Midwest ALPA believe that the 717's were given back, while the court recently stated that Boeing took them back.

I am not trying to start a war of words here, but if Midwest ALPA was accurate and the 717's were given back, why could they provide proof during the arbitration last week?

The judge basically said that the routes no longer exist and boeing took the aircraft back as a condition of the leases that allowed them to move all 25 to an airline in mexico. This is rather important, considering the premise of the arbitration. How could there be no proof supporting midwest alpa's position?

It's my understanding that ALPA didn't argue this point. Their argument in this grievance was off the arbitrators last ruling on outsourcing being ok because it was a codeshare. The argument was you can't codeshare with yourself. They weren't prepared for the argument involving any influence of Republic management on Midwest business plan prior to the merger.

I really don't know how they would be able to get this information. If YX was a public company it would be easier but they weren't. There maybe some legal recourse with arguing Republic influence with the SLI mediator.

With BB history it would be naive to think that he wasn't influencing things to decrease his expense when his plan was complete.

 

[UND_Sioux]

A lot of things would make more sense if everybody remembered that Republic Airways Holdings is not an airline. It is a holdings company that happens to own airlines. Midwest Airlines Inc. was/is codesharing with Republic Airlines Inc. It doesn't legally matter if TPG owns Midwest Airlines or RAH owns Midwest Airlines. In the end, it is one company codesharing with another. The fact that they are both owned by the same holding company is not important in the eyes of the law.

Did you know that Coca-Cola pays Coca-Cola bottling to manufacture and bottle its product. Coca-Cola pays other people to distribute it. Coca-Cola has basically become a holdings company that really only does marketing for its product. That is all Midwest will become, ticketing and marketing....and ticketing and marketing may end up at Frontier.

 

[Wesb737fo]

What you really need to be concerned with is top pay for FO's flying 70-90 seats is $37/hr and Captain pay is running between $68 to the low 70's. Know what you are worth.

 

[dougdrvr]

"Because BB had his hands in decisions at Midwest up to a year prior to the merger. Many of these decision like returning 717s were done while he working this plan."

I understand that Midwest ALPA believe that the 717's were given back, while the court recently stated that Boeing took them back.

I am not trying to start a war of words here, but if Midwest ALPA was accurate and the 717's were given back, why could they provide proof during the arbitration last week?

The judge basically said that the routes no longer exist and boeing took the aircraft back as a condition of the leases that allowed them to move all 25 to an airline in mexico. This is rather important, considering the premise of the arbitration. How could there be no proof supporting midwest alpa's position?

RAH is paying Boeing $600,000 per plane on the last nine 717s to terminate the leases early. (from his own lips during the Q2 conference call) That's basically pissing away $5,4 mil just to get rid of the Midwest pilots.

 

[OurMoney1]

What's wrong with it is the 400 Midex pilots that were $hit canned to make it happen. That's whats wrong!!

Exactly.........

 

[ultrarunner]

RAH is paying Boeing $600,000 per plane on the last nine 717s to terminate the leases early. (from his own lips during the Q2 conference call) That's basically pissing away $5,4 mil just to get rid of the Midwest pilots.

But the long-term savings are incredible. As you pointed out, the pilots get furloughed, but you also eliminate an entire airframe that you don't have to support anymore.

 

[PropPiedmont]

I was looking at tickets for Turkey Day week from PHX to CLE. Believe it or not, the highest price ticket I found was on Frontier.

PHX-DEN 2 hour sit A319 Departs PHX at 7:30am
DEN-MKE 3 hour sit A319
MKE-CLE on a E135 Arrives CLE at 7:47pm

Travel time 10 hrs 17 mins
Cost $643 Round trip

BB has got this figured out.

Return travel time is the same. But, a 4 hour sit in MKE.

 

[freightrash]

I was looking at tickets for Turkey Day week from PHX to CLE. Believe it or not, the highest price ticket I found was on Frontier.

PHX-DEN 2 hour sit A319 Departs PHX at 7:30am
DEN-MKE 3 hour sit A319
MKE-CLE on a E135 Arrives CLE at 7:47pm

Travel time 10 hrs 17 mins
Cost $643 Round trip

BB has got this figured out.

Return travel time is the same. But, a 4 hour sit in MKE.

It's dumb question. Who wants go to CLE from PHX on F9?
PHX is US hub and CLE is CO hub. Same dumb question, who wants to
travel on Continental from MKE to DEN?

 

[PropPiedmont]

It's dumb question. Who wants go to CLE from PHX on F9?
PHX is US hub and CLE is CO hub. Same dumb question, who wants to
travel on Continental from MKE to DEN?

There was no question.

Orbitz offers F9 tickets. What I think you meant to ask is, "Why would anyone pay $650 and spend over 10 hours to travel from PHX to CLE?"

Always have to check all available options.

 

[ultrarunner]

There was no question.

Orbitz offers F9 tickets. What I think you meant to ask is, "Why would anyone pay $650 and spend over 10 hours to travel from PHX to CLE?"

You wouldn't. You'd fly non-stop on CO and be there in 3.5 hours!

 

[StaySeated]

RAH is paying Boeing $600,000 per plane on the last nine 717s to terminate the leases early. (from his own lips during the Q2 conference call) That's basically pissing away $5,4 mil just to get rid of the Midwest pilots.

Not celebrating the facts in any way, but shortly after his clarification of the exit payments he stated that they also have $20 Million in parts that will be sold.

Bedford purchased F9 for approximately $109 Million.

He then paid himself back the $40 Million that he loaned us in DIP.

He also gets a share of the $28 Million dollar unsecured claim.

He also gets his hands on $160 Million that is currently restricted F9 cash.

Not bad.

With midwest, he paid $35 Million.

Approximately $19 Million of that $35 is restructuring costs (including the 717 returns).

$6 Million goes to TPG and $10 Million goes to cover a line of credit.

He walks away with the operation, $20 Million in parts, and $40 Million in restricted YX cash.

$60 million to buy F9 and essentially no outlay to purchase YX.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yep, pretty well played.

 

[starchkr]

I was looking at tickets for Turkey Day week from PHX to CLE. Believe it or not, the highest price ticket I found was on Frontier.

PHX-DEN 2 hour sit A319 Departs PHX at 7:30am
DEN-MKE 3 hour sit A319
MKE-CLE on a E135 Arrives CLE at 7:47pm

Travel time 10 hrs 17 mins
Cost $643 Round trip

BB has got this figured out.

Return travel time is the same. But, a 4 hour sit in MKE.

No-one has ever said we are the cheapest, in some cases the fastest either, but we still seem to fill those birds up to 85%+ capacity on a continuing basis (and most of the time with fares just like those).

I also would like to know what is wrong with $643? Everyone sits on here and beotches about how low fares are killing every airline, but when it comes to riding on 3 different planes between 3 different cities we complain and moan about a price that is actually respectable. So here ya go, finally a price that actually may pay for the flight itself versus us complaining about how a $79 RT between PHX-and CLE can't pay the bills on our respective airlines. Hmmmmmmm....

 

[Popeye0537]

Dammit, sorry I'm late guys I was busy serving cookies on my $653 Scab flight. Mmmm Mmmm good! Hey Citation I'm in Mke right now, come on down and see me if you can borrow the car from your dad.

 

[dougdrvr]

Not celebrating the facts in any way, but shortly after his clarification of the exit payments he stated that they also have $20 Million in parts that will be sold.

Bedford purchased F9 for approximately $109 Million.

He then paid himself back the $40 Million that he loaned us in DIP.

He also gets a share of the $28 Million dollar unsecured claim.

He also gets his hands on $160 Million that is currently restricted F9 cash.

Not bad.

With midwest, he paid $35 Million.

Approximately $19 Million of that $35 is restructuring costs (including the 717 returns).

$6 Million goes to TPG and $10 Million goes to cover a line of credit.

He walks away with the operation, $20 Million in parts, and $40 Million in restricted YX cash.

$60 million to buy F9 and essentially no outlay to purchase YX.

And he pays FOs $37/hr, most of which, haven't even attained that level. Yes, he is a man to be admired.