SWAPA TA2 heads to the membership for a vote.

[shootr]

Sheared,

Why should they say thanks to you? You voted to do away with them. They can feel free to thank me, though.

For those outsiders who think we may be crazy to vote yes on an TA with less money in pay-rates than the 1st TA, you have no idea how good the section 1 improvements are. How many unions have the following scope/codeshare provisions?

-no far international codeshare
-near international codeshare not to exceed 4% ASM unless we are also flying near international, then it's a 1 to 1 ratio
-NO RJ codeshare
-ALL SWA flying must be done by SWAPA (no SWA connect or express allowed)

...after all this, we still get a couple of 2% raises, plus our retro, plus a bump-up of senior FO pay rates, plus a 2% increase on our 401K matching (9.3%) as of Jan '10. Like I said before, I still may vote yes or no. I think either vote is justified. I'll wait for the final language to make my choice. Sound like I can live with the outcome if we vote yes as a group.

shootr

 

[shearedshaft]

So you are a lance.

 

[shootr]

No. How do you figure? Sometimes I wonder if you even read posts made by others.

 

[shootr]

Oh, and another thing for outsiders that are interested in our contract...

Are you hoping we'll hold the bar for the rest of you in your next negotiations? If we get 2% raises on industry leading narrow body pay rates, consider it done. Now it's your turn!

shootr

 

[Capn Butthead]

I dont know what to think....I voted no last time because of Codeshare, Elitt and the lance program. Im thankful that we grandfathered the lances..It was the right thing to do. Elitt changes seem nice. But codeshare still bugs me. We do over 1 billion seat miles a month! (forgot the exact number) Doesnt anyone realize that 4% of that number will be a lot of codeshare!!!!! I have to READ THE TA before i vote on it but im leaning to no for codeshare. We will see after I read it.

And fwiw...why are we not doing far international codeshare???? We arent getting 777's anyday soon so why are we limiting our passenger flow by not codesharing with someone like Cathay, Air China, Virgin, or anyone like that??? Jetblue is codesharing with lufthansa and they are greatly improving the number of pax available to them...I just dont understand it....

 

[shearedshaft]

It just seems that four out of five active posters are lances, I'm predispositioned to think, "There goes another lance complaining."

sorry to lump you in.

 

[SteelerMan]

Didn't the cost of living go up by 5.8 percent in 2008 alone? Just saying we all need to realize that inflation is a big issue, this was the largest increase since 1981.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Not much was said about the money in TA1, but now that is all that is important. I know some guys think we can get it all, but this sounds like an acceptable agreement.

 

[texman]

The people that want more money at our company (SWA) need to chill, pick up the latest June edition of PROFESSIONAL PILOT. In the back of the mag is a section of domestic/international pay rates for commercial and biz aircraft. It gives you a better out look, So open your eyes and see how good we have it already on pay and some. Don't be greedy. Look at UA back in 99-2000. We are not going to sink this ship. Yes I voted no on the last contract, but it was all take for the company in section 1 and the % for codeshare. This one is a give or take. It's only fair. For the people that have not done the all night bumping in weather freight hualing, long military missions, regional turd flying or straight 135/91k bag loading carpet cleaning lav dumping 6 legs a day doing every thing job,You should go try it then you will be telling your self SH!T I had it real good at Ol SWA.

 

[shearedshaft]

No. How do you figure? Sometimes I wonder if you even read posts made by others.

No, I read them. Sorry to bunch you in with the lances, it just seems that four out of five forum posters on both TA1 and now TA2 are lances complaining.

 

[Captain X]

Oh, and another thing for outsiders that are interested in our contract...

Are you hoping we'll hold the bar for the rest of you in your next negotiations? If we get 2% raises on industry leading narrow body pay rates, consider it done. Now it's your turn!

shootr

I'm simply glad you guys voted NO the first time around. I know one pilot group that probably doesn't even have the stones to do that.

 

[RedDogC130]

Well every lance I fly with now on better buy my beer on the overnights.....after all I probably pick up their trip

 

[ASADFW7]

Sometimes I wonder who I work with at SWA. Not too many people speak up in person like this.

 

[shootr]

I do. I am always calm and rational but I tell it like it is and let people I fly with and work with know why I think what I think. This is how I should be.

 

[shearedshaft]

Well every lance I fly with now on better buy my beer on the overnights.....after all I probably pick up their trip

You sure should, since you already bought his beer. $40 million to grandfather the lances works out to $6,900 per SWAPA pilot. That's a chunk of change, and as mentioned, not one "thanks" yet, have you noticed?

Lots of, "I can't believe we're limited to (whatever) number of duty periods", or "I can't believe I can't use ELITT to trade my line down below 65, there's nothing illegal about parking trips."

What's your opinion on whether grandfathering those guys were worth seven grand?