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Midnight Flyer said:
Im confused by your response. I'm in no "situation" as I have nothing to do with this strike and I don't even work for AJ. I'm curious if mgmt pilots will be considered scabs if they fly the freight.
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You came here asking a question that you said you've heard answered both ways before. So how is having it answered here going to change anything? You will STILL have heard it answered both ways. Unless the FI seal of approval will make the answer more legit...
 
glasspilot said:
You came here asking a question that you said you've heard answered both ways before. So how is having it answered here going to change anything? You will STILL have heard it answered both ways. Unless the FI seal of approval will make the answer more legit...
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I think he was more curious as to what I would say about it since I take historical (possible legal) precedent that has been set a few times over. I seem to be in the minority. But I would feel confident in what the courts would rule (and did rule for KLM) on the matter based on those same facts.
 
There was another thread running that had some good discussion going. Was it removed by mods for unacceptable info? If so, it's a shame that the entire thread was deleted instead of individual posts blocked or otherwise edited to delete the "bad" stuff.
 
Midnight Flyer said:
Management pilots consist of check airmen, instructors, and chief pilots.
Since they're management, they're working "for the company" right?
So are management pilots considered scabs if they operate for AJ during the strike?
I've heard both yes and no.
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During our (World Airways) stike three years ago, all Check Airman turned in a letter resigning their Check Airman's status on the first day of the strike. Management pilots asked our union if they could position some aircraft back to base. Our union said if you do you are scabs. Our mangement pilots declined to move the aircraft and they sat at the airport where we walk off them. Only one aircraft was moved. The one aircraft was moved by Boeing contract pilots from Angola to Houston.

That was the position of the World Airways pilots three years ago. Nothing has changed.


Bel
 
Bellerophon said:
During our (World Airways) stike three years ago, all Check Airman turned in a letter resigning their Check Airman's status on the first day of the strike. Management pilots asked our union if they could position some aircraft back to base. Our union said if you do you are scabs. Our mangement pilots declined to move the aircraft and they sat at the airport where we walk off them. Only one aircraft was moved. The one aircraft was moved by Boeing contract pilots from Angola to Houston.

That was the position of the World Airways pilots three years ago. Nothing has changed.


Bel
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Our management pilots would be fired on the spot! ABX air is looking to get rid of all management pilots.
 
PCL_128 said:
Exactly. But since IBT Airline Division Director Dave Bourne is in a petty little feud with Captain Prater, I'm sure he didn't have the cajones to call John to ask for support.



Captain Prater is sending an entire delegation from the National SPSC down to Miami to assist. Any other brilliant predictions? :rolleyes:



Exactly right. What this really proves, however, is that even the ALPA-haters know deep down that only ALPA has the know-how and resources to represent air line pilots. When the going gets tough, they beg ALPA for assistance, because they know that only ALPA is capable.
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Nail on the head! How any one could talk bad about ALPA when it is a TEAMSTER strike is beyond me. AFLCIO. Unbelievable. You don't run right in with guns blazing, you may get your ass shot off. You watch the teamsters struggle, decide what they need help wise and then deliver. Get a clue.
 
This strike has been a great example of multi/cross union support. Multiple unions as APA, SWAPA, USAPA, ALPA, and cross profession/union support (fuelers, truckers, and even janatorial staff that refused to cross the picket lines). Good on the AMJ guys and everyone involved in support. This is a boost that everyone benefits from on a few levels.

I believe you get the votes tallied sometime Sun/Mon on the TA'd contract?


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PCL_128 said:
Exactly. But since IBT Airline Division Director Dave Bourne is in a petty little feud with Captain Prater, I'm sure he didn't have the cajones to call John to ask for support.



Captain Prater is sending an entire delegation from the National SPSC down to Miami to assist. Any other brilliant predictions? :rolleyes:



Exactly right. What this really proves, however, is that even the ALPA-haters know deep down that only ALPA has the know-how and resources to represent air line pilots. When the going gets tough, they beg ALPA for assistance, because they know that only ALPA is capable.
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As it turns out, it looks like my prediction was right. Prater's National SPSC never showed up or called to date. I guess the press statement by Prater meant little of substance. Guess someone didn't get an email or it was made as others by him to just sound good to the press/membership.

I'm used to that from him. I'm not an ALPA hater as you suppose. I have great respect for the general membership of ALPA and the ALPA membership contributed greately to this strike without prompting from ALPA National.

BTW Bourne has supported ALPA councils. He was on the Spirit picket lines shortly after taking the Teamsters Director's office.
 
So was their a T/A that was reached Tuesday and is it out for a vote or was that just wishful thinking.
 
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Not a chance!!!!! I plan on being there on Tuesday walking the line with ya......
 
This was taken from another forum, here's a few highlights:



There are numerous improvements over the QOL issues we had with the company:

Four more days off bring the total to twelve.

11.5 hours rest in base and 9 hours hotel-hotel in outstations. That is better than our 8 hours block in to block out in and out of base that we had before.

Seniority based upgrade.

PFE upgrade.

Per diem almost doubles next year.

We have scope. Finally.

Grievance and discipline processes that we didn't have before.

We are getting coolers, microwaves, and toilets/lavs in all of the aircraft.

3% per year on the hourly pay (better than the whole nothing we were getting before) 10% snap back next year or earlier. 3% on ANY new aircraft.

We get a sick bank. Yay!

They can't put the schedule for the next bid period out the day before. They need to have it published at least 6 days prior.

There is more but it could take me all day. We are still holding the line and I am headed there now.

Like I said, it's not everything we wanted. But, it is a great improvement over the current conditions. I will let you all know how the voting goes. We are happy that we are going to be contractual after five years of fighting this horrible management team!
 
Has any official statement been released by the IBT yet? I thought I saw something on APC that looked official, but I haven't gotten a confirmation yet. I wanted to post it in a union blastmail.
 
Dear Crewmembers,

I just received word from Airline Division Director David Bourne that the Amerijet Strike is over. The ratification ballots were just counted and the contract passed overwhelmingly.

Though this is a small pilot group and a first contract that did not break any wage or benefit milestones. This victory demonstrated that when crewmembers work together across union and company lines, anything is possible.

David Basset, the President of Amerijet, vowed to break the union. He has fought for five years to have them decertified. He completely underestimated the groups resolve, but that resolve was bolstered by
the support they received from their fellow union brothers. In other words, this could not have been done without your support whether it was on the line, in spirit, or financial.

Our profession has been in decline for more than thirty years. The activism surrounding this victory causes me to have hope that the
decline is finally over. We have learned as a profession the importance of working together regardless of affiliation, if we stay on this course we are unstoppable and our collective careers will rebound significantly
in the years to come.

Fraternally,

Joe Muckle
President, Teamsters Local 1224
 
Great news, AJT! You've won a hard-fought battle, but the war's still going on. Keep them to their promises!
 

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