F9 FO's Wives Organize Lynch of FAPA

[GuppyWN]

........... and BTW. If I was still FAPA I might be damned proud of "my" union so I won't cast further judgement.

Good luck ya'll.
Gup

 

[waveflyer]

I worry that F9 lost this deal bc of cynicism of the industry. A seniority # at Swa w/ Swapa representing you is a much more solid thing than say the codeshares w/ ATA- or the AA/TWA deal- you just couldn't believe in the culture despite everyone assuring you that you would be brought in like family and taken care of. Noone would like it- but if the company came to Swapa and said we need you all to lose 5 trips / month to save jobs- it would have happened.

W/ my resume- I get the cynicism-Youd almost be stupid not to be. but this deal needed you to recognize how different Swa is. I didn't even know until I experienced it. It's not a coincidence our employees are so happy.

Good luck to F9ers- you're a great group from what I understand

 

[DH2WN]

let's see here, F9 is a major,

:laugh: Now that's the funniest thing I have read all day.

 

[Porch]

You can fool & lie to yourself all you want... The f9 pilots are, without a doubt, better off in the long run with WN. You all know it, but for the pride of it boast Republic a better deal. WN is a far superior company, hands down. F9ers have taken paycut after paycut, gave up 401k matching amongst other things to be the underdolphin that just makes it. You just want to be in that position because your comfortable there. The opportunity of a lifetime just went down the drain. We will and always will be giving up pay and benefits to appease the company. I'm happy your all so happy, but were going to be in the same position again & I bet this will repeat itself. They are going to sell F9 for a larger profit and we will be facing the same staple issue with WN. The only difference is you'll be 3 to 5 years older and on the bottom of the list... What will your pride & ego say then when your less resiliant?!?

 

[tathagatha]

(Pride and Ego) would say??? release the hounds, Smithers?

T

 

[SWA/FO]

Porch,

I feel bad for you guys. It seems your co-workers didn't believe one word Gary Kelly said. I believe, we would have been into a growth mode again, thus any F9 dude on the street it would have been short lived. Gary said he would walk away and he did.

 

[Porch]

(Pride and Ego) would say??? release the hounds, Smithers?

T

Ha! My father told me as a kid & I would laugh "Never cut your nose to spite your face" Its finally making pratical sense... That's what went on here, IMO

 

[Porch]

Porch,

I feel bad for you guys. It seems your co-workers didn't believe one word Gary Kelly said. I believe, we would have been into a growth mode again, thus any F9 dude on the street it would have been short lived. Gary said he would walk away and he did.

They don't understand the culture everyone keeps talking about. That is what I was so fired up about & so were so many others. F9 has been beat up so much in the past, seeing that wasn't going to happen now. Pavlov & his dogs was right, conditioning works! Now exploited. They couldn't see out of the box & still want the dang animals. I don't blame him for walking & I knew he would... I was hoping he wouldn't. Now were (F9) F'd again

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

I guess you haven't heard, but Southwest has NEVER furloughed anyone, EVER. We take care of our own here. Gary never said a word about furloughing Frontier pilots. Before we'd furlough anyone, we'd reduce the line values enough to keep everyone. It's happened before. The problem here is that you guys projected what you think airline management teams like yours have done to what you thought might happened here. You just jumped to conclusions, and made a colossal error in judgement. So, to reiterate, your "assumption" has been refuted.

Good luck at your "major". Keep thumping your chest, and try to make yourself feel better. We all know it's just a defense mechanism, to keep from admitting to yourself and your family that you blew it.

BTW, how many Frontier pilots have applied at Southwest?

Gee, that does not take a freakin genius!!! They wanted to park 10 planes from day one...they said they only would need 80% of the pilots to fly the remaining planes...according to my math, that would have put me on the street day one...assumption proven!

A year or two at my regional...hmmmm...let's see here, F9 is a major, so that means from the date of purchase RAH should in theory become a major...so sure, i'll let you know how i am doing in a year or two at my "major."

 

[FlyinPiker]

I guess you haven't heard, but Southwest has NEVER furloughed anyone, EVER. We take care of our own here. Gary never said a word about furloughing Frontier pilots. Before we'd furlough anyone, we'd reduce the line values enough to keep everyone. It's happened before. The problem here is that you guys projected what you think airline management teams like yours have done to what you thought might happened here. You just jumped to conclusions, and made a colossal error in judgement. So, to reiterate, your "assumption" has been refuted.

Good luck at your "major". Keep thumping your chest, and try to make yourself feel better. We all know it's just a defense mechanism, to keep from admitting to yourself and your family that you blew it.

BTW, how many Frontier pilots have applied at Southwest?

No means No...you don't take rejection well do you.

Can't you just be happy for yourself instead of feeling the need to spit in other's faces?

Maybe they knew something you didn't. It's possible you know.

 

[Jet41]

As a guy that works for niether F9 or WN I find it hard to believe that F9 pilots will be better off with RAH in the short or long run. I can only guess that there was something that FAPA knew or saw that justified thier position. I seriously doubt that being part of RAH is going to be a very pleasent experiance.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[avrodriver]

As a guy that works for niether F9 or WN I find it hard to believe that F9 pilots will be better off with RAH in the short or long run. I can only guess that there was something that FAPA knew or saw that justified thier position. I seriously doubt that being part of RAH is going to be a very pleasent experiance.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I don't think they had a choice...they could have spent all weekend coming up with a plan and the board could have still picked Republic.

I think this deal was done long before Southwest put their bid in.

 

[gutshotdraw]

You can't prove or disprove something that never happens. Since RAH won the bid, we'll never know if WN would have just taken the gates, the market share, and one fewer competitor and told the F9 guys "best of luck on your interview" or if they actually would have added the FAPA guys to the list. I'm sure the first scenario was foremost on the FAPA leadership's list of concerns.

Regardless, nobody will know for a few years who was right, and who is broke. I won't know if I made the right choices in my career until the day I retire.

 

[CX880]

What has Southwest done in the past with the pilots of bought airlines? Worst case scenario, even if the "good luck on the interview" applied, you'd have to be a total clown not to get a job, considering they just put you on the streets. Frontier will become another Midwest very shortly why do you think a regional airline would help a company near liquidation? Out of generosity? At least there will still be brand of Frontier though....

 

[av88tor]

"Worst case scenario, even if the "good luck on the interview" applied, you'd have to be a total clown not to get a job, considering they just put you on the streets."

Tell that to the ATA guys........