When will Pilots learn:

[Skippy]

Everything they say and do etc.. is put under a microscope- especially if there is an accident.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-buffalo-plane-crash_N.htm?csp=34




SKIPPY

 

[skypine69]

How about all the calls to scheduling trying to call in sick and having the scheduler them that the flight will cancel. Why doesnt the media get a hold of those and play those? Or play the call of a pilot calling in unfit and being told he has to talk to the CP? (read: intimidation)

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

How about all the calls to scheduling trying to call in sick and having the scheduler them that the flight will cancel. Why doesnt the media get a hold of those and play those? Or play the call of a pilot calling in unfit and being told he has to talk to the CP? (read: intimidation)

It's time for every company to use an automated DNIF reporting system. No verbal pressure from some sh*thead who sits at a desk while pilots are out doing their job.
Maybe Congress can make that happen as they make changes to better serve the paying public. It's time Congress puts more pressure on the companies to uphold their end.

 

[Jar Jar]

From a pilot's perspective - you could not have asked for a better CVR transcript to outline the problems within the regional airline industry.

You're right, everything we do is scrutinized when we screw up. Its about time for the professional aviators in the regional business to once again be treated like mere humans. Every regional out there asks its crews to trudge through the same slop of mud. Under the current circumstances, you will have more of these tragedies continue to occur until something is done to improve the working conditions of regional pilots.

My boss says I can only get sick 12 days a year. Beyond that I have to choose to not feed my family or go to work sick.

 

[Erlanger]

Everything they say and do etc.. is put under a microscope- especially if there is an accident.

No one thinks it's going to be them.

 

[johndt]

She's just starting a trip. If she calls in sick she's probably forbidden from using her jumpseat privileges. She makes less than $20K/yr. How is she going to pay for a hotel for the four days or so of her scheduled trip? That policy is yet another way that people are forced into working while they're sick.

I have -no- problem saying something like that on the CVR. She was put in an awful situation and that situation contributed to a lot of deaths -- people should know that.

 

[SSDD]

How do you know that her cold, contributed to a lot of deaths?????

 

[johndt]

How do you know that her cold, contributed to a lot of deaths?????

Her illness is not the cause of that crash, but it is certainly a contributing factor. We work in a crew environment. If she had been sharp, well-rested and healthy, she would have done a better job -- period.

Her illness adversely affected her performance, and that contributed to the accident chain -- period.

 

[brokeflyer]

If she had been sharp

she woulda jammed captain america's throttles forward instead of raising the flaps in the middle of a stall.....

but a healthy body wont fix a 250 hour wonder woman.

 

[mitsdriver]

Everything they say and do etc.. is put under a microscope- especially if there is an .




http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-buffalo-plane-crash_N.htm?csp=34




SKIPPY

I think most of us can relate to her situation. I think most of us have to admit to that we've flown sick at one time or another just so as to not to miss out on a paycheck. Especially during that stages of our career when we make peanuts and live from paycheck to paycheck. I don't blame her for what she did. (Or more accurately, had to do.) She was just trying to pay her bills and get by. Skippy, if you never had to to what that poor gal did. consider yourself one of the lucky few.

 

[lionflyer]

she woulda jammed captain america's throttles forward instead of raising the flaps in the middle of a stall.....

but a healthy body wont fix a 250 hour wonder woman.

She had more than 250 hrs. I think she had around 1600.
Anyways, her being sick was a contributing factor. We've all been there whether we want to admit it or not. It still seems to me that she saw the airspeed but went "Ahhhh" instead of saying something I dunno like "AIRSPEED"! It's a mistake that a lot of first time FO's make. They don't say anything when they need to. The CA's don't know everything guys. He/she is a CA because of seniority nothing else. Don't let them kill you! It's a 2 crew ship.

 

[rigger]

She had more than 250 hrs. I think she had around 1600.
Anyways, her being sick was a contributing factor. We've all been there whether we want to admit it or not. It still seems to me that she saw the airspeed but went "Ahhhh" instead of saying something I dunno like "AIRSPEED"! It's a mistake that a lot of first time FO's make. They don't say anything when they need to. The CA's don't know everything guys. He/she is a CA because of seniority nothing else. Don't let them kill you! It's a 2 crew ship.

Neither of these two should have been flying a 172 let alone a 121 flight with peoples lives at stake.....they allowed the airspeed to bleed off 57knots in 30 seconds then pulled when the shaker went off then pulled right thru the pusher.....no conversation about hey push the stick or increase power......They want to be treated like a professional then they should act like it! If tired call fatigued, if sick call sick......my family and yours deserve this type of professionalism! NOT THERE TYPE!!!!!

 

[flyboyzii]

Neither of these two should have been flying a 172 let alone a 121 flight with peoples lives at stake.....they allowed the airspeed to bleed off 57knots in 30 seconds then pulled when the shaker went off then pulled right thru the pusher.....no conversation about hey push the stick or increase power......They want to be treated like a professional then they should act like it! If tired call fatigued, if sick call sick......my family and yours deserve this type of professionalism! NOT THERE TYPE!!!!!

Yea, we had a guy do that mmmmmkkk. He is no longer employed mmmmmk. Supposedly, that isn't why he was "asked to resign." There were "other circumstances" for his resigning. He was a good guy, good pilot but didn't get along with Mgt. He had a target on his back. You have to play by Mgt's rules or they WILL get you. This gal was (in my opinion) working sick because: A.) She most definitely needed the money and B.) Didin't want to "raise any flags" with mgt. I see it all of the time. Business as usual. I hate it that it happened. It sucks.

 

[BrickTop]

Yea, we had a guy do that mmmmmkkk. He is no longer employed mmmmmk. Supposedly, that isn't why he was "asked to resign." There were "other circumstances" for his resigning. He was a good guy, good pilot but didn't get along with Mgt. He had a target on his back. You have to play by Mgt's rules or they WILL get you. This gal was (in my opinion) working sick because: A.) She most definitely needed the money and B.) Didin't want to "raise any flags" with mgt. I see it all of the time. Business as usual. I hate it that it happened. It sucks.

Don't underestimate the leveraging power of FATIGUE. You are in control. During a past event when I told my company that I'm dialing the local FSDO and registering a complaint regarding being threatened for calling off fatigued the tone changed real quick. DON'T do it. Its "YOUR" call PERIOD. Don't ever let some revolving door employee or the fear of punishment push you into something you have spent far more energy and life committing to than their 10.00hr job in scheduling. It is your right and duty to determine when "you" want to stop. Period. Period Period.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How do you know that her cold, contributed to a lot of deaths?????

How do you know it did not? Is it safe and condoned to fly sick?