More Furlough Rumblings at Flex

[jetmaster727]

way to go Bun. That's what we need more of. Step up and ask the man. Enough already with the rumors. You guys are all pessimists! Hell I just got an email asking for OT so I don't think furloughs are in the offing. Also one of our guys saw Globals in our colors. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

[RNObased]

way to go Bun. That's what we need more of. Step up and ask the man. Enough already with the rumors. You guys are all pessimists! Hell I just got an email asking for OT so I don't think furloughs are in the offing. Also one of our guys saw Globals in our colors. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Did it have FX on the tail???

 

[av8trinabarrel]

I sent an email to Fred asking him straight up about layoffs and he just replied to me that he does not see a need for more pilot reductions at this time and that Tom was correct when he said there would be no more planned pilot furloughs this year. So there you have it.

Best of luck to you guys. Coming from someone on the bottom of the NJA list, I sincerely hope you are right and nobody else gets escorted off the property.

P.S.- Please discontinue spreading factual information on FI...You will be banned for spreading such jibberish.

 

[dime line]

Do you actually think he will tell you guys the truth about future plans about layoffs?

 

[FastJP4]

Do you actually think he will tell you guys the truth about future plans about layoffs?

Bingo. You need to know the background of what the "leader" is saying. The background is horrendous from a company profitability perspective and from a pilot relations perspective. If he continues to hold true to form, expect a consistant decline in all aspects of the company - and for him to jump ship with his pocket lined parachute just before the SHTF.

You'll have as much luck in finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow as you will in getting an honest answer from Fred Greed.

 

[flex*wife]

FR for president:he can sell BS better than any politician

......makes one wonder about this new CAFO's, what does that mean? a way to decrease crews by making everyone a CA when needed?

Ding Ding Ding.... and the furloughed guy gets the gold bar for being most on target...

READ, or RE-READ the FOM revisions that came JUST last week regarding FOs as CAs and think for yourselves.

I betcha the training slots are to upgrade/checkride all remaining FOs to CAs as neccessary so Flex can get around the captain heavy seniority list costing that's costing them way too much $$. That way on any given day they are only paying 1/2 the pilots capt pay regardless of their seniority position... Expect the announcement you will be paid at your seat/position on any given day rate to be forthcoming...

Rumor has it the 60's and 45's are doubled captained on the majority of planes and it's happening quite a bit on the Challengers as well.

And you silly boys still don't think you need a union. Mark my words only the top 25% of each fleet will be safe from the the paycheck reduction scandal about to hit guys who have been here 4, 5,6 even 7 years...

At least it's not furloughs or permanenr downgrades... Congrats tho to FR on the slick move to make junior timers feel all good about becoming captains and staving off yet ANOTHER union drive.

I'm in a bad mood today -- make my day by disagreeing with the obvious.

 

[unclepetey]

They are up to something for sure. But I think what they are doing is using the guys that they downgraded as captains on some days. Not making everyone a "captain." Plus, that would require more than the rumored 60 slots as there are currently about 250 CA in a pilot group of about 378.

 

[Dooker]

And you silly boys still don't think you need a union.

Well put, indeed.

Biggest bunch of chumps and suckers in aviation work at Flex--ESPECIALLY among the upper reaches of the seniority list.

 

[FastJP4]

Well put, indeed.

Biggest bunch of chumps and suckers in aviation work at Flex--ESPECIALLY among the upper reaches of the seniority list.

I'll second that. They should consider renaming it for the top 200 - ChumpJet.

 

[flex*wife]

They are up to something for sure. But I think what they are doing is using the guys that they downgraded as captains on some days. Not making everyone a "captain." Plus, that would require more than the rumored 60 slots as there are currently about 250 CA in a pilot group of about 378.

Flexjet simply cannot afford another furlough -- bad for morale and business. But they have to cut the bleed somehow, someway. Upgrading everyone to CA status is a slick way of slamming the hammer. More than anything they need to worry about the mid pack pilots (lear captains) earning capt pay for FO days so I still think my theory is correct. The cost savings will be astronomical. According to your own numbers they are 80 or so captains heavy and downgrades would look horrible right now.

(ADDED) Remember they are captain heavy not FO heavy -- so your idea doesn't make sense right now even though I would MUCH prefer that to be the case. (ADDED)

Also, using your own #s = 60 is 1/2 of the 120 or so you pointed out. Half now, half Oct, right before busy season. Somethings brewing, mark my words. Makes sense to me that they could only reasonly do 60 a month anyway...

As you can tell, I'm not a fan of the plan... Dishonesty and manipulation wrapped in a silver bow might as well be wrapped in dog poo for all it's worth.

 

[flex*wife]

way to go Bun. That's what we need more of. Step up and ask the man. Enough already with the rumors. You guys are all pessimists! Hell I just got an email asking for OT so I don't think furloughs are in the offing. Also one of our guys saw Globals in our colors. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

I already referenced my bad mood earlier, so maybe I shouldn't say this but from what I see, waterview and standards captains account for more of the rumors and malicious gossip than any of the regular joes... My husband has been told more "hush hush don't say it was from me but..." from these guys than anyone else. We're even talking stuff about people's private family lives, not just "business" Why girls ever got the reputation for being gossipy back biting snipes should make anyone whose spent any time around pilots wonder...

Also TNs don't lie -- sure they can apply for reassignment but so much easier to just do it from the get go. If it doesn't have an FX on it, I'd say we need to be more worried about what you're smoking in that pipe...

But for the most part I agree with your sentiment so don't think I am attacking you personally.

 

[Pacific]

Ding Ding Ding.... and the furloughed guy gets the gold bar for being most on target...

READ, or RE-READ the FOM revisions that came JUST last week regarding FOs as CAs and think for yourselves.

I betcha the training slots are to upgrade/checkride all remaining FOs to CAs as neccessary so Flex can get around the captain heavy seniority list costing that's costing them way too much $$. That way on any given day they are only paying 1/2 the pilots capt pay regardless of their seniority position... Expect the announcement you will be paid at your seat/position on any given day rate to be forthcoming...

Rumor has it the 60's and 45's are doubled captained on the majority of planes and it's happening quite a bit on the Challengers as well.

And you silly boys still don't think you need a union. Mark my words only the top 25% of each fleet will be safe from the the paycheck reduction scandal about to hit guys who have been here 4, 5,6 even 7 years...

At least it's not furloughs or permanenr downgrades... Congrats tho to FR on the slick move to make junior timers feel all good about becoming captains and staving off yet ANOTHER union drive.

I'm in a bad mood today -- make my day by disagreeing with the obvious.

EXACTLY! Captain goes to the highest seniority of the day. Pay cut for most involved. Saves money on training as well since CAFOs will surely be paid the FO rate while in training, even though being checked out as a CA.

 

[Photoflight]

but but but....once a captain always a captain right!

 

[Dooker]

But why would they need initial training slots for the CAFOs? Doesn't make sense. If a guy's typed, current and qualified in, say, a 45, as a captain, he doesn't need retraining.

You only need initial if you're new to an aircraft, or if you've been out of it for two years or more.

And for an FO to act as a captain, all he or she needs is a .299 ride, which can be done out on the line, right? No need for initial training slots to handle that.

Which brings us back to the original question. Why would the training center be told to reserve a bunch of initials?

 

[Photoflight]

I think theres going to be some moving around of guys in fleets. Especially out of the 60 fleet into others.

Then again maybe there all global training slots...that'd be schweet.