United Captain Off Loads F/A

[Dan Roman]

Well, I'll liven this up. That guy had better have a valid reason that the purser was endangering the safety of his flight. If he can't come up with one, than the guy is a flaming arsehole for inconveniencing a whole plane load of passengers because he didn't like someones behavior. A Captain is paid to deal with problems and not throw temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way.
If the purser was not doing their job, by all means write him/her up. Making an unscheduled landing to prove a point is extremely unprofessional, proves pilots really are prima donna's and does nothing to enhance the "Captains Authority". It does seem to indicate that perhaps he doesn't have the emotional maturity to deal with adversity. Again, anyone can do this job when everything is normal, we get paid to deal with adversity calmly and effectivly. If you want to enhance "Captains Authority", you do so by being the person everyone knows they can count on to do the right thing when adversity strikes.
This reminds me of the UAL pilot who diverted because he didn't get a Captains crew meal, he was fired.

 

[ableone]

Let's see how it shakes out.

I once returned to the gate to drop kick an FA.

A friend of mine almost did the same thing as the UA pilot. The FO needed to use the head and the FA said that she would get to it when she was good and ready and then she refused to answer the intercom.

My friend then called to the back and told them that the FA needed to come to the flight deck NOW. She arrived with her attitude intact and he told her she could shape up immediately or he would divert and kick her ass off the plane.

Luckily for her she did change her toon. Had she continued along her chosen path he damn well should have landed short and thrown her off.

 

[NoJoy]

I remember jumpseating once on a UA 57, and after introducing myself to the CA and FO, I stood to the side to let the CA talk to the Purser about some issue before we left. Halfway through the conversation, the Purser got steamed about something then slammed the cockpit doort shut. The CA looks at me then at the FO and says "well at least my day is starting out right" I thought he was going to have words with her, but he just let he be.

 

[skiandsurf]

I remember jumpseating once on a UA 57, and after introducing myself to the CA and FO, .

I was jumpseating on a UA 767. Waiting to talk to the Purser, who was in the back of the plane, and another FA told me to sit in First. I waited for the Purser, she was still in the back....this other FA told me "Im working business, just go grab a seat in business". I sat in business without talking to the Purser.

On the pushback, the Purser told me "I want you to take a seat in coach after the seatbelt sign is turned off". She was pissed that I sat in business without her approval. I told her the other FA told me to sit here....didnt care.

Shortly after takeoff, she came back and said "you can stay here".

After the flight.....the captain apologized to ME. He heard about the FAs fighting about where I sat (they actually took the fight to the cockpit, where he had to tell them to get back to work)....he was embarrased, and apologized.

...Just another good jumpseating story.

 

[Sandhawk]

I guess I misread the title...........

I thought that it said "Capt dumps load in FA" - I was thinking since when would that make headlines on FI.com ????


:laugh:

 

[Raoul Duke]

United FAs are by far the worst of the worst. What a bunch of battle pigs. Glad to see the CA demonstrate who is actually in charge of an aircraft for once. It should happen more often. If the majors were smart, they would require extremely physical recurrents in the name of safety - swimming, lifting etc. Weed out the 300lb grandmothers.

 

[Flying the Line]

I've never once had a bad ride on United, ever. But on American it was always "take a seat in coach".

 

[Dornier 335]

I've never once had a bad ride on United, ever. But on American it was always "take a seat in coach".

The only exception for sitting up front with AA is when the Capt. is ex-TWA (my personal experience).

 

[Lear70]

The overweight male F/A, having heard of the fight at Delta, probably wore the dress to work and got upset when the Captain suggested he was too big for the Size 18 dress.

"It escalated from there..."

 

[B52GUNNER]

I guess he told the captain he would scratch his eyes out.

 

[skiandsurf]

The biggest surprise about this story, is that they were only on the ground in MIA for under an hour. Considering this is not a UAL served airport, getting customs to take the FA, and getting fueled.

 

[BrickTop]

Looks like paying for jumpseating is boiling blood over at UAL.

 

[NEDude]

Here is my guess how the situation will unfold:

The FA union will scream bloody murder over this, dig in their heels until the FA is let off the hook. Management will in turn terminate the captain and the pilots union will turn a blind eye. Shortly thereafter a memo will come out stating that the lead FA is now the PIC (Person In Charge) and the captain and FO are last in the chain of command. Soon all airlines will begin to follow suit. All along the pilots unions will sit back and do nothing while it happens. Then 20 years down the road one ALPAs senior guys will say something like "maybe we should have fought for that".

 

[Raskal]

Here is my guess how the situation will unfold:

The FA union will scream bloody murder over this, dig in their heels until the FA is let off the hook. Management will in turn terminate the captain and the pilots union will turn a blind eye. Shortly thereafter a memo will come out stating that the lead FA is now the PIC (Person In Charge) and the captain and FO are last in the chain of command. Soon all airlines will begin to follow suit. All along the pilots unions will sit back and do nothing while it happens. Then 20 years down the road one ALPAs senior guys will say something like "maybe we should have fought for that".

That's pretty damn funny! :beer:

 

[8v8ter]

The only exception for sitting up front with AA is when the Capt. is ex-TWA (my personal experience).

I agree with this statement! An ex=TWA cockpit crew went at it with the AA FAs over whether I should sit in first or coach. I was just happy for a ride, but was happy also when the pilots won and I sat in first!

 

[Dan Roman]

Let's see how it shakes out.

I once returned to the gate to drop kick an FA.

A friend of mine almost did the same thing as the UA pilot. The FO needed to use the head and the FA said that she would get to it when she was good and ready and then she refused to answer the intercom.

My friend then called to the back and told them that the FA needed to come to the flight deck NOW. She arrived with her attitude intact and he told her she could shape up immediately or he would divert and kick her ass off the plane.

Luckily for her she did change her toon. Had she continued along her chosen path he damn well should have landed short and thrown her off.

The whole bathroom thing has been an issue since 9/11. It's not that hard to deal with it. If a cockpit crewmember has got to go, their is little justification for insubordination from the flight attendant. That said, it helps to appreciate the fact that they get do get busy and a little consideration from the cockpit pretty much will solve any communication issues on the matter. It's just not that hard to come to a mutually acceptable solution.

If nothing else works you can always wait till the F/A finally does come up and hand them a glass of OJ mixed with water and say "nevermind, but could you get ride of this?"

 

[Skybus]

Pretty amazing how bravado on here. Did it ever occur to anybody on here that the Captain was just a dick trying to extend his 2 inch tool? YGTBSM diverting a 767 full of passangers to show what a stud he was. No wonder they are going broke and no wonder all the "super pilots" on here that find this so impressive are working at the misfit operatons they are.

Bus

 

[b707guy]

After reading and enjoying all of this, I gotta go with Skybus on this one. Booting some drunken idiot or deranged terrorist wannabe in Halifax or Bangor is one thing. Stopping in MIA to offload a part of the crew due to an authority conflict is ridiculous. The one thing that the capt had correct was that the issue needed to be resolved on the ground. Thing is, it should have been done in ORD. There's either a lot more to this story, or the capt is a few froots short of a loop.

Having said that, freight might kill you, but it generally doesn't get bitchy.

 

[NEDude]

The whole bathroom thing has been an issue since 9/11. It's not that hard to deal with it. If a cockpit crewmember has got to go, their is little justification for insubordination from the flight attendant. That said, it helps to appreciate the fact that they get do get busy and a little consideration from the cockpit pretty much will solve any communication issues on the matter. It's just not that hard to come to a mutually acceptable solution.

If nothing else works you can always wait till the F/A finally does come up and hand them a glass of OJ mixed with water and say "nevermind, but could you get ride of this?"

From the days of flying a Beech 1900 with no lav, I know of at least one pilot who diverted to use the potty. I suppose if an FA were to refuse a flight deck crew member's request to use the lav, said FA would have a lot of explaining to due if there was a diversion so a flight deck crew member could use the lav.

 

[aussieflyboy]

After reading and enjoying all of this, I gotta go with Skybus on this one. Booting some drunken idiot or deranged terrorist wannabe in Halifax or Bangor is one thing. Stopping in MIA to offload a part of the crew due to an authority conflict is ridiculous. The one thing that the capt had correct was that the issue needed to be resolved on the ground. Thing is, it should have been done in ORD. There's either a lot more to this story, or the capt is a few froots short of a loop.

Having said that, freight might kill you, but it generally doesn't get bitchy.

Exactly...

I'm reminded of a particularly humerous South Park episode where Cartman is appointed Hall Monitor.

"RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH"

What a f****** a$$ clown to throw off a crew member like that on the way to your destination. What's the matter? Never learned conflict resolution as a toddler the way the rest of us learn it? Don't know how to be an adult and find an amicable solution to a problem. That's exactly the kind of guy who has no business in charge of an airliner.

What a d***head. Some time off without pay is in order....