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Minimaniac

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I just wanted to post some factual information regarding the upcoming integration of the seniority lists. For now, everyone will probably be disappointed...

The representatives of the three unions have not met yet. A meeting is planned for the near future, but this will be an introductory meeting, with no significant outcome expected. This will really be just an opportunity for the various parties to get to know each other, and share some prespective.

No formal negotiating can occur until the acquisition deals are finalized, and papers signed. The Midwest deal is settled, however the final documents have not been signed between the airlines. Until this occurs, integration will not be discussed by the unions. Per Brian Bedford, the Midwest acquisition will not be finalized until some time in August. I guess the lawyers need more time to log those billable hours...

Likewise, no talks between the unions can occur regarding Frontier and RAH seniority integration until such a deal is finalized. That is some time off, as the auction process held by the bankruptcy court will last into August, and then the legal acquisition process begins and papers will have to be signed. Do not expect even a preliminary stance from the unions regarding integration to be presented until September at the earliest, maybe late August if the judge finds some motivation to move quickly.

So, anything you "hear" between now and then is a baseless rumor. Nothing is going to happen for weeks to come.
 
Thanks for the update. The post you made over in the regionals section was spot on. Collaboration and cooperation are the key to winning this thing. If we all fight between ourselves and stoop to low levels, management will win big. Thanks again.
 
So, anything you "hear" between now and then is a baseless rumor. Nothing is going to happen for weeks to come.

Not exactly true. Midwest just posted a furlough of an additional 41 pilots. That essentially staples them and the rest of the furloughees to the bottom of the RAH list. If F9 starts furloughing pilots, they'll go to the bottom with the Midwest guys. So, to say nothing is going to happen sort of depends on your point of view.
 
I believe in past cases, any furlough consideration relative to integration has been based on the date the acquisition was announced. But as my wife knows...I can be wrong.
 
Not exactly true. Midwest just posted a furlough of an additional 41 pilots. That essentially staples them and the rest of the furloughees to the bottom of the RAH list. If F9 starts furloughing pilots, they'll go to the bottom with the Midwest guys. So, to say nothing is going to happen sort of depends on your point of view.


Sorry, let me clarify. Anything you may hear about how the seniority lists will be combined is baseless rumor. Furloughs are real, and both Midwest and RAH have furloughed pilots to consider.

Having talked with some members of the RAH negotiating committee, I know that, from the RAH perspective, we are going to approach the meetings with the Midwest union with an open mind. There are multiple solutions that will fall into the realm of fair and equitable, and our guys acknowledge that they have not committed themselves to one solution, and that they are looking forward to input from the other side of the table. In general, the RAH side recognizes that an expedient arbitration is in our best interest, and that an abusive integration will subvert the unity we desire for subsequently finalizing our new CBA.
 
Not exactly true. Midwest just posted a furlough of an additional 41 pilots. That essentially staples them and the rest of the furloughees to the bottom of the RAH list. If F9 starts furloughing pilots, they'll go to the bottom with the Midwest guys. So, to say nothing is going to happen sort of depends on your point of view.

Frontier has had 56 furloughed for almost a year now.
 
Sorry, let me clarify. Anything you may hear about how the seniority lists will be combined is baseless rumor. Furloughs are real, and both Midwest and RAH have furloughed pilots to consider.

Having talked with some members of the RAH negotiating committee, I know that, from the RAH perspective, we are going to approach the meetings with the Midwest union with an open mind. There are multiple solutions that will fall into the realm of fair and equitable, and our guys acknowledge that they have not committed themselves to one solution, and that they are looking forward to input from the other side of the table. In general, the RAH side recognizes that an expedient arbitration is in our best interest, and that an abusive integration will subvert the unity we desire for subsequently finalizing our new CBA.


Let me get this straight. You, RAH, are going to approach this with an open mind. Yet at the same time, you believe that an expedient arbitration is in YOUR best interest and an "abusive integration" will be bad.

Allow me to paraphrase.

We are going to meet with YX and pretend that we give a sh1t. Meanwhile, we are to chickensh1t to clearly state what we obviously want as an outcome, so hopefully a third party will decide in our favor. Most importantly, if you disagree with us you will be "subverting the unity" of your new master.

Jesus, I can't wait until it is our turn to work with the likes of you.
 
OFF TOPIC HERE...Nice Avatar there Captain Morgan...I have one of those amongst my stuff from back in the day...

...ok, back on topic...​
 
Let me get this straight. You, RAH, are going to approach this with an open mind. Yet at the same time, you believe that an expedient arbitration is in YOUR best interest and an "abusive integration" will be bad.

Allow me to paraphrase.

We are going to meet with YX and pretend that we give a sh1t. Meanwhile, we are to chickensh1t to clearly state what we obviously want as an outcome, so hopefully a third party will decide in our favor. Most importantly, if you disagree with us you will be "subverting the unity" of your new master.

Jesus, I can't wait until it is our turn to work with the likes of you.

The longer you can prolong civil discourse between yourselves, the better the working environment will be. IOW, don't be too anxious to emulate USAirways.
 

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