Many Midwest flights aren't Midwest at all

[eightdriver]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

 

[CitationLover]

and when you strike, not one rw airplane will fly any of that struck work.

hahahahaha

what is the struck work? you already fly most of our routes. how are you going to differentiate?

 

[CitationLover]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

well to be technical the payrates were based on 60 something seat DC-9's. they're 70 seat rates are pathetic.

 

[Captain Morgan]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

I'll tell you how. SCOPE! SCOPE! SCOPE! SCOPE!!!! SCOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The DC-9 has no equal

Ahhh... someone who get's it. The DC-9 is the best thing going for 40 some odd years.

 

[jravi8tor]

As much as you Republic pilots say on FI that you don't want these 190's. I have a friend who's a captain on the 170 and flies the Midwest routes that I once flew with the 717 and his response to me about the 190's. "At least I have a job and you better get use to RJ's because they're the future" He also told me as much as Republic guys show their distaste for the a/c on here, the one's he flies with are proud to be getting it.

 

[flylike44]

hahahahaha

what is the struck work? you already fly most of our routes. how are you going to differentiate?

i would hope that your mec is keeping a vigilant eye on what routes you're flying and are scheduled to fly so that differentiating won't be an issue.

why don't you have scope language in your contract to prevent all of this garbage? i guess that's the fault of pilots at republic as well.

 

[deadstick]

why don't you have scope language in your contract to prevent all of this garbage? i guess that's the fault of pilots at republic as well.

Ask ALPA.

 

[Captain Morgan]

As much as you Republic pilots say on FI that you don't want these 190's. I have a friend who's a captain on the 170 and flies the Midwest routes that I once flew with the 717 and his response to me about the 190's. "At least I have a job and you better get use to RJ's because they're the future" He also told me as much as Republic guys show their distaste for the a/c on here, the one's he flies with are proud to be getting it.

I'm not going to deny that there are those pilots who are happy and downright giddy about getting the 190's and flying them, these however are not the norm. You will find a group in any company that would be happy to fly the EMB-190 or CRJ 1000, it's not limited to Republic, it just happens to happen here first. It is true that I am happy to have a job, but why shouldn't I be. Why should I be pissed that I'm still employed? What I'm not happy about is that we are flying these large airframes. I am fully in favor of going back to Jetstreams, Saabs, and 1900's. Unfortunately, your friend is right. This is the wave of the future. I foresee a future where there are commuters, regionals, and mainline a.k.a. legacies, or overseas airlines. You can thank wonderful companies like Airtran, Jetblue, and Southwest for driving down prices domestically. This has forced Legacies to find money in the international segment while trying to maintain a domestic feed operation, que the regionals. I don't have to read the history to you all because we've all lived it and know it oh so well. Legacies are going to become nothing other than a Pan Am, an overseas airline. Which is good for those of you who pine for the old days of flying international I suppose.

 

[flylike44]

Ask ALPA.

i see. this is nobody's fault but the pilots at republic. got it. look in the mirror and ask again. you'll be talking to ALPA.

 

[BUDDHA145]

As much as you Republic pilots say on FI that you don't want these 190's. I have a friend who's a captain on the 170 and flies the Midwest routes that I once flew with the 717 and his response to me about the 190's. "At least I have a job and you better get use to RJ's because they're the future" He also told me as much as Republic guys show their distaste for the a/c on here, the one's he flies with are proud to be getting it.

I wish you got the balls to said his name and your's!!! but ofcourse we all cowards here hiddind behind an avatar!!! yes including my self!!!

 

[aa73]

why "especially Republic pilots"? and i'll ask again. what do you suggest as the next move for both groups?

because it is RP pilots, not them, slated to do the flying. they are already locked out. as far as what the next move is, i''ll give you an example. during "braniff christmas" in 1981 or 82, AA contracted with braniff to fly AA passengers on braniff jets, a total scope violation. AA pilots simply parked their airplanes in front of the braniff a/c, preventing them from pushing. that killed the scheme that same day. not saying this example is for you guys, but there are plenty of ways. if RP pilots led the effort, i'm sure it would gain support from other pilot groups.

 

[RobCat]

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[deadstick]

i see. this is nobody's fault but the pilots at republic. got it. look in the mirror and ask again. you'll be talking to ALPA.

You asked:

why don't you have scope language in your contract to prevent all of this garbage?

I answered:

Ask ALPA.

ALPA lawyers were the proverbial "pros from Dover" who didn't get the language right. The devil was in the details, and it looks like Midwest's lawyers have parchments from Ivy League schools while ALPA's lawyers have business law completion certificates from some obscure northern VA VOTEC.

 

[flylike44]

You asked:


I answered:


ALPA lawyers were the proverbial "pros from Dover" who didn't get the language right. The devil was in the details, and it looks like Midwest's lawyers have parchments from Ivy League schools while ALPA's lawyers have business law completion certificates from some obscure northern VA VOTEC.

so you're telling me that every single person on the list at midwest read the scope provisions contained in their contract, and to a man they all agreed it was airtight? sorry. not buying it.