Many Midwest flights aren't Midwest at all

[dougdrvr]

you obviously aren't aware of the going rate for one of those birds, let alone upwards of 12 of them. to humor you, since you're obviously a cretin of the lowest order, i'll give you a hint. it's more money than what we've given them to date or could give them in the near future.

Think what you want, idiot. Your leach of a company is just lowering the bar for everyone else. Nothing personal, you just work there, don't you. When the host dies, the parasite will have to find another body to infect.

 

[jravi8tor]

Why? This is good news for RAH pilots. New upgrade opurtunities and that much quicker to 1000 turbine PIC and the majors when they hire again. ERJ 190 time will look great on a resume to a major. They will know that an ERJ190 pilot can fly mainline style equipment.

Do you truely believe half the comments you write or are you such an arrogant dumba$$ it really doesn't make a difference. On second thought, perhaps they got a job at a MAJOR. If I was interviewing some prospect I need to ask my self, "He flew a mainline jet for $hit wages, is this individual going to know what to do with mainline pay if giving the opportunity?"

 

[airplane wizard]

RJ!!?? The 190 is not an RJ! It is a mainline aircraft and as such should be operated by one. Let's get that "RJ" stigma disassociated with the 190. It is equal to a DC-9 no less. I know that our union was not informed of any of these plans and was blindsided by the announcements. Airtran tried a hostile take over and that didn't work, so Republic is just taking it over slowly and less hostile.

The DC-9 has no equal

 

[aa73]

if you had any common sense you'd know that neither the republic group nor the midwest group can legally take any kind of work action.

sometimes masses in numbers need to take drastic action in drastic circumstances. what are they gonna do, fire the whole republic pilot corps? ever heard of SOS? i would gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with you guys. so would most airline pilots i know.

 

[flylike44]

Think what you want, idiot. Your leach of a company is just lowering the bar for everyone else. Nothing personal, you just work there, don't you. When the host dies, the parasite will have to find another body to infect.

do you have anything to add to this conversation besides worn out sloganeering and name calling? oops, looks like i called you a cretin in my last post. if you look up "cretin" you'll come to the obvious conclusion that i've engaged in name calling as well. my apologies for being a hypocrite (although i'm fairly certain i'm not too far off base). i hope this post will prevent you from quoting me calling you a cretin, and screaming at the top of your lungs about my hypocrisy.

 

[CitationLover]

Replace Republic with Midwest, and you are spot on.

We'll strike when we can. 75% of out pilots are already out on "strike" thanks to Hoeksema and Bedford being butt buddies. Wonder how much Republic whining we would hear if 75% of their pilot group was furloughed because Bedford outsourced all their flying to a company with 50% of Colgan rates.

 

[flylike44]

sometimes masses in numbers need to take drastic action in drastic circumstances. what are they gonna do, fire the whole republic pilot corps? ever heard of SOS? i would gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with you guys. so would most airline pilots i know.

unfortunately, there is nothing contractually amiss here. while i appreciate the sentiment that you'd stand shoulder to shoulder should both the yx and rw folks decide on some sort of work action to sort this mess out, it would never happen on a large scale. maybe you personally would. maybe a few people you know would. however, if you've been in this industry for more than a cup of coffee you know that most people wouldn't do a darn thing. what do you suggest the two groups do? sick out? wildcat strike? and you think a majority of people at other airlines would join in? are you high?

 

[flylike44]

We'll strike when we can. 75% of out pilots are already out on "strike" thanks to Hoeksema and Bedford being butt buddies. Wonder how much Republic whining we would hear if 75% of their pilot group was furloughed because Bedford outsourced all their flying to a company with 50% of Colgan rates.

and when you strike, not one rw airplane will fly any of that struck work.

 

[aa73]

unfortunately, there is nothing contractually amiss here. while i appreciate the sentiment that you'd stand shoulder to shoulder should both the yx and rw folks decide on some sort of work action to sort this mess out, it would never happen on a large scale. maybe you personally would. maybe a few people you know would. however, if you've been in this industry for more than a cup of coffee you know that most people wouldn't do a darn thing. what do you suggest the two groups do? sick out? wildcat strike? and you think a majority of people at other airlines would join in? are you high?

nope, not high, just sad as the very reason folks won't do this is because they think like you. my pilot group (aa) did this very thing in 1998 and, while the union got slapped with a fine, they got what they wanted. if this issue with midwest is truly as bad as it sounds, then both pilot groups - but especially Republic pilots - need to stop it from happening. otherwise, sitting here crying about it is pointless, since you won't do anything about it.

 

[flylike44]

nope, not high, just sad as the very reason folks won't do this is because they think like you. my pilot group (aa) did this very thing in 1998 and, while the union got slapped with a fine, they got what they wanted. if this issue with midwest is truly as bad as it sounds, then both pilot groups - but especially Republic pilots - need to stop it from happening. otherwise, sitting here crying about it is pointless, since you won't do anything about it.

why "especially Republic pilots"? and i'll ask again. what do you suggest as the next move for both groups?

 

[eightdriver]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

 

[CitationLover]

and when you strike, not one rw airplane will fly any of that struck work.

hahahahaha

what is the struck work? you already fly most of our routes. how are you going to differentiate?

 

[CitationLover]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

well to be technical the payrates were based on 60 something seat DC-9's. they're 70 seat rates are pathetic.

 

[Captain Morgan]

If the E-190 is not an RJ... then why can they get away with paying those pilot 30-50% less then our 99 seat 717. Answer me that jacka$$.

I'll tell you how. SCOPE! SCOPE! SCOPE! SCOPE!!!! SCOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The DC-9 has no equal

Ahhh... someone who get's it. The DC-9 is the best thing going for 40 some odd years.

 

[jravi8tor]

As much as you Republic pilots say on FI that you don't want these 190's. I have a friend who's a captain on the 170 and flies the Midwest routes that I once flew with the 717 and his response to me about the 190's. "At least I have a job and you better get use to RJ's because they're the future" He also told me as much as Republic guys show their distaste for the a/c on here, the one's he flies with are proud to be getting it.

 

[flylike44]

hahahahaha

what is the struck work? you already fly most of our routes. how are you going to differentiate?

i would hope that your mec is keeping a vigilant eye on what routes you're flying and are scheduled to fly so that differentiating won't be an issue.

why don't you have scope language in your contract to prevent all of this garbage? i guess that's the fault of pilots at republic as well.

 

[deadstick]

why don't you have scope language in your contract to prevent all of this garbage? i guess that's the fault of pilots at republic as well.

Ask ALPA.

 

[Captain Morgan]

As much as you Republic pilots say on FI that you don't want these 190's. I have a friend who's a captain on the 170 and flies the Midwest routes that I once flew with the 717 and his response to me about the 190's. "At least I have a job and you better get use to RJ's because they're the future" He also told me as much as Republic guys show their distaste for the a/c on here, the one's he flies with are proud to be getting it.

I'm not going to deny that there are those pilots who are happy and downright giddy about getting the 190's and flying them, these however are not the norm. You will find a group in any company that would be happy to fly the EMB-190 or CRJ 1000, it's not limited to Republic, it just happens to happen here first. It is true that I am happy to have a job, but why shouldn't I be. Why should I be pissed that I'm still employed? What I'm not happy about is that we are flying these large airframes. I am fully in favor of going back to Jetstreams, Saabs, and 1900's. Unfortunately, your friend is right. This is the wave of the future. I foresee a future where there are commuters, regionals, and mainline a.k.a. legacies, or overseas airlines. You can thank wonderful companies like Airtran, Jetblue, and Southwest for driving down prices domestically. This has forced Legacies to find money in the international segment while trying to maintain a domestic feed operation, que the regionals. I don't have to read the history to you all because we've all lived it and know it oh so well. Legacies are going to become nothing other than a Pan Am, an overseas airline. Which is good for those of you who pine for the old days of flying international I suppose.

 

[flylike44]

Ask ALPA.

i see. this is nobody's fault but the pilots at republic. got it. look in the mirror and ask again. you'll be talking to ALPA.