RE; Whatever Happened to My "FBI Profile of B19" Post? Revisted AGAIN

[netjetwife]

Ned, I see that you are new to posting here. If you do a search on B19 and Skanza's posts, you'll see why they have earned the troll label. Actually, I think the pilots have been very patient and being called a troll pales in comparison to the anti-union attacks, especially from B19.

 

[Hogprint]

B*skanza posted:

There are fracs out there that are non-union with good work ethics and pilots that don’t suffer turmoil.

Really? As at least three others have asked, which one's?

the industry was hurt deeply by the massive industry “leading contract” and set standards the other fracs couldn’t match, thus creating turmoil within the industry. It is an uneven balance that needs to be corrected, and that won't happen until the contract is reopened and balanced to match the current economy.

So our contract brought on the housing crisis, which begat the fuel crisis, which begat the financial crisis which begat the decline of the other fracs????????

OK, um yeah. Your Tin-foil hat is on too tight. BTW keep those fingers crossed for "opening up the contract". You got a few more years to sweat it out.

 

[GerryG]

You guys are so deverted on who is who when we're trying to debate the need for a union. I kinda like that you think I'm someone else - it almost insures that you will not find out who I really am, or who B19 is for that matter. Not that any of it really matters - but it fun to see you guys bounce around like this. I doubt that B19 is the Bob you think he is. This man has no time for childish internet arguing (as I do have time).
You are not in the same position of remaining anonymous. Just keep writing up airplanes to ground them and stall the operation, regardless of really being broken... That's a fine way for a professional union employee to act.

skansa/B19

Ok so why did you respond in the first person to an attack on B19? If we are so "deverted", why not put us back on track and simply answer the question?

I say again, why did you respond in the first person to an attack on B19?

Time to fess up, we will not let you wriggle out of this one. As a union-avoidance functionary, you must know when it's time to cut your losses. After all your bosses probably don't read most of what you babble about on here anyway, so in spite of your little f-up, you should be a-okay.

But I am curious do you work under contract? That would be ironic since you are trying to keep pilots from getting the benefits of same. Does your contract stipulate that you are paid by the hour, post, or word? Just curious.

 

[brokeflyer]

dont bother gerry,

he lost and everyone knows it. Dont waste you time asking for explination on how they blame the union on the company getting a union.

Lets just focus on preventing more golden parachutes. They hurt millions more than any union could even put forth effort into robbing. And it's a shame they are legal.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It's no longer one sided on this board.

dont bother gerry,

he lost and everyone knows it. Dont waste you time asking for explination on how they blame the union on the company getting a union.

Lets just focus on preventing more golden parachutes. They hurt millions more than any union could even put forth effort into robbing. And it's a shame they are legal.

Many of the top threads (based on the amount of views) on this fractional board involve the screen name "B19", and that developed as a result of my views on unions. Even if they don't agree with what I write, they are interested in the conversation. It's clear that people won't respond publically, but they will read and view privately, in spite of your attempts to eliminate my opinion. In the sense that all I ever wanted to do is get people thinking about the other side of unions, I win in that respect. It's no longer one sided on this board.

One last thought. The recent actions by NJ to "buy out" pilots with packages is nothing more than a golden parachute to a lesser scale.

Be careful what you ask for.

 

[brokeflyer]

only YOU can change things. Go for it.

 

[waka]

No B19, You Lose in All Respects

In the sense that all I ever wanted to do is get people thinking about the other side of unions,I win in that respect. It's no longer one sided on this board.

Once again, misplaced arrogance and self-congratulatory BS. The reason threads involving you gets attention is not because you present the other side. You have done such a pathetic job at it that I would have fired you had I employed your "services". The only reason threads with you get attention is very much like the reasons people like to look at automobile accidents, or might listen to what Charles Manson has to say et al. In other words, your wacko delusions is merely morbid entertainment.

 

[fischman]

Once again, misplaced arrogance and self-congratulatory BS. The reason threads involving you gets attention is not because you present the other side. You have done such a pathetic job at it that I would have fired you had I employed your "services". The only reason threads with you get attention is very much like the reasons people like to look at automobile accidents, or might listen to what Charles Manson has to say et al. In other words, your wacko delusions are merely morbid entertainment.

That is 100% correct.

 

[skanza]

whatever kid....nice try but you're done. Kid? Really with that again? You don't know me...If you dont like it being broke then go trim some fat from the FAR's.....that's what I go by. If it's broke then it's broke.....no abiguity no questions you have no say in it. Don't start on that again either. I thought I already made it clear that I agree that it's broke when it's broke and carriying write-ups is a no-no. But people will carry write-ups to K-nowhere just to stall flights, just as much as others will carry write-ups to a MX base. Talk it over with the FAA.....then come apologize.


Thre reason you have labor problems is your own fault.....no ones but YOURS....sorry but that is the truth. Me? Why? It seem's again that you don't know "me".

Pay me what the job pays and you'll see the unions disappear. Simple as that, I can't make it any easier and i'll even fax it to you. You are getting paid what the job pays. A union will not go away if you get a raise. Just go somewhere where you get paid what you think you deserve. No one forced you to take this job and it's not like tha salary was secret until your 1st day at work...

You as management and your gospel are the only ones that change things....YOU alone. Again, you alone, not me.

it's up to YOU if you don't want a union....only YOU. You.

And all that and I only got 1 browser open...imagine what i could do with a dozen. It's a shame we need a union, so do me a favor and change things.....

So what does having a dozen browsers open have to do with your arguement?

 

[skanza]

skansa/B19

Ok so why did you respond in the first person to an attack on B19? If we are so "deverted", why not put us back on track and simply answer the question?

I say again, why did you respond in the first person to an attack on B19? What?

Time to fess up, we will not let you wriggle out of this one. As a union-avoidance functionary, you must know when it's time to cut your losses. After all your bosses probably don't read most of what you babble about on here anyway, so in spite of your little f-up, you should be a-okay. No need to wriggle. No worries here. Unless you come to ** *****, you'll never know that I'm not B19. Just believe me, or not. Either way, it's pointless for you.

But I am curious do you work under contract? That would be ironic since you are trying to keep pilots from getting the benefits of same. Does your contract stipulate that you are paid by the hour, post, or word? Just curious.

So just because I share the opinion of B19 Flyer, Than I must be him. Well, with that logic you, fischman, waka, brokeflyer, dimeline, Hogprint, jppt2000, etc. are all just one guy/girl. How many monitors do you have and how do you keep up with it all? Talk about a troll...

 

[skanza]

what a rackett

dont bother gerry,

he lost and everyone knows it. Dont waste you time asking for explination on how they blame the union on the company getting a union.

Lets just focus on preventing more golden parachutes. They hurt millions more than any union could even put forth effort into robbing. And it's a shame they are legal. yeah, it's like these people are just trying to get as much money for themselves for the least amount of work. Trying to get a lifestyle that *they* have determined *they* deserve. And all of this is legal. ...wait, aren't unions legal too? Doing the same thing? Seems like a jam you're in here....

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[brokeflyer]

only MANAGEMENT can change things.

im just a line pilot, I cant make management change their ways.

only YOU can make things right.

Please do, cause I'm tired of the fight. Please fix it.

come fly with me skanza, Il educate you like I've taught hundreds of other FO's over the last 40 years.

It's the principle.......we should be paid a fair wage. And that is why you get a union. Corporate greed causes it and that is undisputed.

 

[B19 Flyer]

only MANAGEMENT can change things.

im just a line pilot, I cant make management change their ways.

only YOU can make things right.

Please do, cause I'm tired of the fight. Please fix it.

come fly with me skanza, Il educate you like I've taught hundreds of other FO's over the last 40 years.

It's the principle.......we should be paid a fair wage. And that is why you get a union. Corporate greed causes it and that is undisputed.

The price of anything broke is what somebody is WILLING to pay for it. That's why I make more money than you.

Unions on the other hand, don't accept what somebody is WILLING to pay for it. What they do is bludgeon the company to near death with work actions, strikes and other non ethical means, then they just take whatever they want.

When a company fights back, they are deemed unreasonable to want the company to remain a viable entity. It's all about basic principal, what you consider fair for you is not what others feel is fair. The balancing point is always the bottom line, no matter how big the CBA is. Right now, there is a major correction underway, and when it's all over the "industry leading" CBA will be no more.

 

[brokeflyer]

if it bothers you this much then maybe you should change things. Only YOU can change it.

I've said many times before it's a shame we have a union in this idustry. I think you should change things rather than come on here and theaten my family like that.

You should either change things or stop crying, dont be so whinny about it. Go change things, make things better for the industry.

Don't waste my time please.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Once again, misplaced arrogance and self-congratulatory BS. The reason threads involving you gets attention is not because you present the other side. You have done such a pathetic job at it that I would have fired you had I employed your "services". The only reason threads with you get attention is very much like the reasons people like to look at automobile accidents, or might listen to what Charles Manson has to say et al. In other words, your wacko delusions is merely morbid entertainment.

No so, the private posts I receive far outweigh the public posts in support. It's guys like you that don't understand the reality of how a CBA affects the company and how much money it costs in revenue. You can't hide from the numbers, and as I state in my post, I don't care if anybody likes what I say or not. What I say is truthful, and it's clear that you and many of the union supporters can't handle the truth.

It's read, the numbers back it. That means the people know more about the management side of how unions are dealt with than they did before. I'm satisfied with that. In that respect, I win.

 

[B19 Flyer]

if it bothers you this much then maybe you should change things. Only YOU can change it.

I've said many times before it's a shame we have a union in this idustry. I think you should change things rather than come on here and theaten my family like that.

It's attitudes like your that keep me laughing at the "superior intellect".

You should either change things or stop crying, dont be so whinny about it. Go change things, make things better for the industry.

I've applied more to the INDUSTRY than pretty much anybody on this board, and I haven't been actively involved in years.

That NJ CBA set expectations within the industry that couldn't be met. In that respect is was a bad document, look at what's happening. Bad things man...

 

[brokeflyer]

well, kinda. You have a ways to go to get my level. I remember back when we got the first DC-8's. So I've been around quite a bit longer.

That is why we changed the CBA. They hired planning on future growth and aircraft deliveries, then the economy tanked. So we changed the CBA so the company could get some relief. Which they don't really need cause our salaries aren't very high. But ill play along to save jobs. In another thread you asked if the union would "open up the industry leading" contract...well we did.

Pretty cool huh?

 

[B19 Flyer]

well, kinda. You have a ways to go to get my level. I remember back when we got the first DC-8's. So I've been around quite a bit longer.

That is why we changed the CBA. They hired planning on future growth and aircraft deliveries, then the economy tanked. So we changed the CBA so the company could get some relief. Which they don't really need cause our salaries aren't very high. But ill play along to save jobs. In another thread you asked if the union would "open up the industry leading" contract...well we did.

Pretty cool huh?

I've been away for a while, please explain the changes in the CBA. Please tell me how those that are flying are giving back to support the best intent of the company.

I don't want to hear about this "creative solution" about how to furlough pilots, that is being paid for by Netjets. I want to hear how the union is giving back to the company and supporting the industry by creating a standard all can live by, not just a handful of the chosen few with the carrier with the deepest pockets.

Also, please explain to me why NJ requires 1.8 pilots more per airplane than what NBAA considers industry average. The hiring was for a lot more than just future deliveries, it was also inflated because the CBA required more pilots per plane than any other.

 

[waka]

No so, the private posts I receive far outweigh the public posts in support. It's guys like you that don't understand the reality of how a CBA affects the company and how much money it costs in revenue. You can't hide from the numbers, and as I state in my post, I don't care if anybody likes what I say or not. What I say is truthful, and it's clear that you and many of the union supporters can't handle the truth.

It's read, the numbers back it. That means the people know more about the management side of how unions are dealt with than they did before. I'm satisfied with that. In that respect, I win.

This is called being a legend in your own mind. You're only speaking the truth as far as you are concerned......no matter how many times you claim that you get these masses of supportive PM's . (BTW; why doesn't your entourage of supporters post publicly? )

It's guys like you that don't understand that you negate what you try to say because of the ridiculousness of your incessant drivel. Again, you lose in every respect.

Why don't you read/re-read The Emperor's New Clothes? You might learn something of yourself.

 

[brokeflyer]

im not gonna explain anything to you. because you dont respect anyone here.

Id rather just slap the $hit out of you for just pure enjoyment rather than explain anything we do to you. When you show some respect to those that come here for information then maybe ill give a $hit what you think.

Other than that, don't worry about what we do. I promise it won't affect you.

So please keep me laughin at you're "superior intellect".
Show me some respect and you'd be amazed the results.