Rumor has it CJC management will be gunning for ALPA guys

[rigger]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

It's done all the time in Washington, some congressmen or senator gets the power to make anything happen then the wheels of government start to turn in their direction and walla....a real business that is subsidized as much as needed to not fail.

Just look at all the wives, husbands, sons daughters friends etc that are doing this in DC....The Colgans had the clout! But they have always been a bottom feeder because they could be and they could get away with it because of the clout! these other poor airlines tried to be a bottom feeder but were not allowed by the same government that allowed Colgan. Now no more kool aid for you!

 

[nimtz]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

Sorry but give me a break. This is a commuter airline. We aren't talking about innovators and leaders in the mold of CR Smith, Juan Trippe, or Pat Patterson. Those were men who had drive and vision. Lets call a spade a spade, Colgan is a low ball commuter outfit. I'll pass on suggesting the Colgans deserve a pat on the back. Even compared to a commuter founder like Bill Britt, the Colgans can't hold a candle.

 

[suupah]

I couldn't agree more. I was with Colgan 4 years prior to the sale to Pinnacle and enjoyed my time there, especially the crews I flew with. After the sale I lasted about a year. 2 hours worth of taxi's out of EWR every night did not help the cause but the airline I knew and enjoyed was quickly eroding away. Employee moral was never in the stratosphere but after the sale it went into a graveyard spiral. Even the easy going and happiest of pilots, including myself, felt their well being decay. Ask the crews I flew with, I always tried to put a smile on my face and make the day pleasant while leaving problems at the door but it got increasingly harder. So much in fact I finally said enough, pulled the chalks and hung up my spurs and saddled up in J-pan. If I would have made this decision a year and a half ago, I probably would have felt some regret but experiencing what I did solidified my decision and I have not looked back. And guess what, they pay a 74 seat turbo prop capt what they're worth over here. I had a 0730 show, done at 1230, in this time period I got a breakfest crew meal at the office and a lunch crew meal at the ship. And not some beat snack but a big a$$ bento box full of food. Flight Crews are still treated with respect, management does not try to cut costs at their expense and the customer service is phenominal. It makes you sad and angry in the same breath as to what the US Airlines were and could be. "Doin' the Colgan" has evolved from something that was a funny little catch phrase for Crew's in the know to chuckle about to something on par with playing "don't drop the soap" at Riker's. From my friends still there, it sounds like it has become an endless game of, "oh sh!t what can I screw up next, because management needs heads to roll..." I feel for all my friends and ex-coworkers there. Keep your heads down, noses clean, collect a check and go home and above all FLY SAFE! You know what they say you're never ex-Colgan just former Colgan, even though it's really said about the Marines, you get the point.

Reb

Spot on. But next time in kanji

 

[340SAM]

It's done all the time in Washington, some congressmen or senator gets the power to make anything happen then the wheels of government start to turn in their direction and walla....a real business that is subsidized as much as needed to not fail.

Just look at all the wives, husbands, sons daughters friends etc that are doing this in DC....The Colgans had the clout! But they have always been a bottom feeder because they could be and they could get away with it because of the clout! these other poor airlines tried to be a bottom feeder but were not allowed by the same government that allowed Colgan. Now no more kool aid for you!

I didnt realize a senate senator who reps Manassas VA could have so much power in Washington.

 

[340SAM]

Sorry but give me a break. This is a commuter airline. We aren't talking about innovators and leaders in the mold of CR Smith, Juan Trippe, or Pat Patterson. Those were men who had drive and vision. Lets call a spade a spade, Colgan is a low ball commuter outfit. I'll pass on suggesting the Colgans deserve a pat on the back. Even compared to a commuter founder like Bill Britt, the Colgans can't hold a candle.

Thats my point they built a commuter airline that went to small towns that majors would not serve( Maine , West Virginia and others). They were helping out the majors with feed while other regionals were getting these little jets up to 70 seats are taking flying from majors and being held up financially at the same time. We have all seen how good regionals with RJS do on there own.

Im not saying they should get a award. I am just saying if I was to start a commuter with you or Colgan it would be Colgan.

 

[Mr Wu]

Thats my point they built a commuter airline that went to small towns that majors would not serve( Maine , West Virginia and others). They were helping out the majors with feed while other regionals were getting these little jets up to 70 seats are taking flying from majors and being held up financially at the same time. We have all seen how good regionals with RJS do on there own.

Im not saying they should get a award. I am just saying if I was to start a commuter with you or Colgan it would be Colgan.

Holy sheet! You must be sucking the coolaid right from the cock.

 

[suupah]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

 

[340SAM]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

Honestly I really dont care about Colgan Air or the Colgans. I didnt know that Dean, Darrell, Jeb, and Harry Mitchell were actually Colgan family members noway too skinny .

Also can you help me find out were airline management get trained professionally so I can have the company I work now send the people running my current company.

 

[Snaab]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

...What he said! Time to clean house.

 

[Thurman Merman]

Spot on. But next time in kanji

Moshi, moshi,

Ahhh, dumb gaijen no do kanji, but mmm, maybe jinglish, maybe.

Reb-san

 

[suupah]

Moshi, moshi,

Ahhh, dumb gaijen no do kanji, but mmm, maybe jinglish, maybe.

Reb-san

BTW how do you say "jiffy" in japanese?

 

[Carl_Spackler]

someone has to explain the meaning of 5X5

 

[Thurman Merman]

BTW how do you say "jiffy" in japanese?

I've asked and they stare at me like I have an arm growing out of my head.