Rumor has it CJC management will be gunning for ALPA guys

[suupah]

Rumor has it CJC mgmt is going to be "washing out" the ALPA supporters aka Colgan Defectors over time. Anyone hear something to that effect?

 

[Speedtape]

Rumor has it CJC mgmt is going to be "washing out" the ALPA supporters aka Colgan Defectors over time. Anyone hear something to that effect?

They better have plenty of money to defend their actions. It's been tried before and the law won.

 

[flynryan15]

Rumor has it CJC mgmt is going to be "washing out" the ALPA supporters aka Colgan Defectors over time. Anyone hear something to that effect?

That would take brass balls! They are getting their ass handed to them for abusing flight crews. Not to mention they have been caught with there hand in the cookie jar for doctoring pilot records. Now they want to attempt union busting?!?! If the Colgan's put half as much effort into running a respectable operation as they do harassing their flight crews things would improve greatly! I am in no way banging on the flight crews, after sharing many a beer with you guys at the IAH crashpad and hearing your stories I have nothing, but respect for you!

 

[samballs]

Rumor has it CJC mgmt is going to be "washing out" the ALPA supporters aka Colgan Defectors over time. Anyone hear something to that effect?

Blah, Blah, Blah. Either your an Alpa hater, or one of those people that here something and believe it no matter what.

 

[Fred Rogers]

HA HA HA!! That is actually pretty funny.

These fallen pilots and passengers will not have died in vain if we can make this industry safer!

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"So do you expect your pilots to NOT get sick in the first 9 months of employment?" -- NTSB asking Colgan Executives about paid sick time.

 

[340SAM]

Rumor is some of the pilots that were part of Alpa push are mad because Alpa promised support for the families during the hearing and then they no showed. If we are not going to support them fine just dont promise something we cant do. Good thing I pay my dues every month.

 

[340SAM]

If the Colgan's put half as much effort into running a respectable operation as they do harassing their flight crews things would improve greatly!


Who are the Colgan's exactly now I thought the company sold 2 1/2 years ago?

 

[Fred Rogers]

Who are the Colgan's exactly now I thought the company sold 2 1/2 years ago?

There are still a couple of them around. Still sucking at life.

 

[suupah]

It was rumor about some statements that 5X5 and DB made. Needless to say that is exactly the type of emotionalism that has absolutely no place in running a professional airline.

 

[Fred Rogers]

It was rumor about some statements that 5X5 and DB made. Needless to say that is exactly the type of emotionalism that has absolutely no place in running a professional airline.

DB & 5X5 actually think they are going to be around this place for much longer? At least 5X5 is not in the limelight with a big title, so he might survive it. That does not mean however that he is any smarter. Loosing DB would be a great step forward for this airline.

I have a feeling that Colgan ALPA will be around a lot longer than DB (just a guess) ha ha ha.

 

[suupah]

Nevermind

 

[340SAM]

There are still a couple of them around. Still sucking at life.

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

 

[BirdCatcher]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

I didn't always agree with their policies and interpretations, but I do tip my hat to them for being able to run an airline as long as they did. It's a rough, cutthroat business with razor thin margins. There's a reason why you don't see family owned airlines.

I just wish they could have sold some other company like Skywest .

 

[Andy Neill]

Rumor has it CJC management will be gunning for ALPA guys

Well it's a good thing ALPA promotes professionalism above all else among its pilots. I can't ikmagine them having any problem at all in a check ride. Let's face it, nobody knows how to fly by the book like they do. Am I right or am I right?

 

[Thurman Merman]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

I couldn't agree more. I was with Colgan 4 years prior to the sale to Pinnacle and enjoyed my time there, especially the crews I flew with. After the sale I lasted about a year. 2 hours worth of taxi's out of EWR every night did not help the cause but the airline I knew and enjoyed was quickly eroding away. Employee moral was never in the stratosphere but after the sale it went into a graveyard spiral. Even the easy going and happiest of pilots, including myself, felt their well being decay. Ask the crews I flew with, I always tried to put a smile on my face and make the day pleasant while leaving problems at the door but it got increasingly harder. So much in fact I finally said enough, pulled the chalks and hung up my spurs and saddled up in J-pan. If I would have made this decision a year and a half ago, I probably would have felt some regret but experiencing what I did solidified my decision and I have not looked back. And guess what, they pay a 74 seat turbo prop capt what they're worth over here. I had a 0730 show, done at 1230, in this time period I got a breakfest crew meal at the office and a lunch crew meal at the ship. And not some beat snack but a big a$$ bento box full of food. Flight Crews are still treated with respect, management does not try to cut costs at their expense and the customer service is phenominal. It makes you sad and angry in the same breath as to what the US Airlines were and could be. "Doin' the Colgan" has evolved from something that was a funny little catch phrase for Crew's in the know to chuckle about to something on par with playing "don't drop the soap" at Riker's. From my friends still there, it sounds like it has become an endless game of, "oh sh!t what can I screw up next, because management needs heads to roll..." I feel for all my friends and ex-coworkers there. Keep your heads down, noses clean, collect a check and go home and above all FLY SAFE! You know what they say you're never ex-Colgan just former Colgan, even though it's really said about the Marines, you get the point.

Reb

 

[rigger]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

It's done all the time in Washington, some congressmen or senator gets the power to make anything happen then the wheels of government start to turn in their direction and walla....a real business that is subsidized as much as needed to not fail.

Just look at all the wives, husbands, sons daughters friends etc that are doing this in DC....The Colgans had the clout! But they have always been a bottom feeder because they could be and they could get away with it because of the clout! these other poor airlines tried to be a bottom feeder but were not allowed by the same government that allowed Colgan. Now no more kool aid for you!

 

[nimtz]

Funny how people make fun of Colgan's but name another family that built not only one but two airlines and sold them for a profit myself as do many pilots are thankful they gave me a shot and now I make a great living for my family. Bet you cant name at least three families that built commuters that stayed in business as long as colgan did but you could probably name 10 people that tryed and failed. Honestly I liked working there 75% of the time but I wasnt there when they sold and in my opionon when Colgan sold and got the Q 400 they are no longer small true commuter anymore.

Sorry but give me a break. This is a commuter airline. We aren't talking about innovators and leaders in the mold of CR Smith, Juan Trippe, or Pat Patterson. Those were men who had drive and vision. Lets call a spade a spade, Colgan is a low ball commuter outfit. I'll pass on suggesting the Colgans deserve a pat on the back. Even compared to a commuter founder like Bill Britt, the Colgans can't hold a candle.

 

[suupah]

I couldn't agree more. I was with Colgan 4 years prior to the sale to Pinnacle and enjoyed my time there, especially the crews I flew with. After the sale I lasted about a year. 2 hours worth of taxi's out of EWR every night did not help the cause but the airline I knew and enjoyed was quickly eroding away. Employee moral was never in the stratosphere but after the sale it went into a graveyard spiral. Even the easy going and happiest of pilots, including myself, felt their well being decay. Ask the crews I flew with, I always tried to put a smile on my face and make the day pleasant while leaving problems at the door but it got increasingly harder. So much in fact I finally said enough, pulled the chalks and hung up my spurs and saddled up in J-pan. If I would have made this decision a year and a half ago, I probably would have felt some regret but experiencing what I did solidified my decision and I have not looked back. And guess what, they pay a 74 seat turbo prop capt what they're worth over here. I had a 0730 show, done at 1230, in this time period I got a breakfest crew meal at the office and a lunch crew meal at the ship. And not some beat snack but a big a$$ bento box full of food. Flight Crews are still treated with respect, management does not try to cut costs at their expense and the customer service is phenominal. It makes you sad and angry in the same breath as to what the US Airlines were and could be. "Doin' the Colgan" has evolved from something that was a funny little catch phrase for Crew's in the know to chuckle about to something on par with playing "don't drop the soap" at Riker's. From my friends still there, it sounds like it has become an endless game of, "oh sh!t what can I screw up next, because management needs heads to roll..." I feel for all my friends and ex-coworkers there. Keep your heads down, noses clean, collect a check and go home and above all FLY SAFE! You know what they say you're never ex-Colgan just former Colgan, even though it's really said about the Marines, you get the point.

Reb

Spot on. But next time in kanji

 

[340SAM]

It's done all the time in Washington, some congressmen or senator gets the power to make anything happen then the wheels of government start to turn in their direction and walla....a real business that is subsidized as much as needed to not fail.

Just look at all the wives, husbands, sons daughters friends etc that are doing this in DC....The Colgans had the clout! But they have always been a bottom feeder because they could be and they could get away with it because of the clout! these other poor airlines tried to be a bottom feeder but were not allowed by the same government that allowed Colgan. Now no more kool aid for you!

I didnt realize a senate senator who reps Manassas VA could have so much power in Washington.

 

[340SAM]

Sorry but give me a break. This is a commuter airline. We aren't talking about innovators and leaders in the mold of CR Smith, Juan Trippe, or Pat Patterson. Those were men who had drive and vision. Lets call a spade a spade, Colgan is a low ball commuter outfit. I'll pass on suggesting the Colgans deserve a pat on the back. Even compared to a commuter founder like Bill Britt, the Colgans can't hold a candle.

Thats my point they built a commuter airline that went to small towns that majors would not serve( Maine , West Virginia and others). They were helping out the majors with feed while other regionals were getting these little jets up to 70 seats are taking flying from majors and being held up financially at the same time. We have all seen how good regionals with RJS do on there own.

Im not saying they should get a award. I am just saying if I was to start a commuter with you or Colgan it would be Colgan.

 

[Mr Wu]

Thats my point they built a commuter airline that went to small towns that majors would not serve( Maine , West Virginia and others). They were helping out the majors with feed while other regionals were getting these little jets up to 70 seats are taking flying from majors and being held up financially at the same time. We have all seen how good regionals with RJS do on there own.

Im not saying they should get a award. I am just saying if I was to start a commuter with you or Colgan it would be Colgan.

Holy sheet! You must be sucking the coolaid right from the cock.

 

[suupah]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

 

[340SAM]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

Honestly I really dont care about Colgan Air or the Colgans. I didnt know that Dean, Darrell, Jeb, and Harry Mitchell were actually Colgan family members noway too skinny .

Also can you help me find out were airline management get trained professionally so I can have the company I work now send the people running my current company.

 

[Snaab]

Colgan is good for the Logbook and pretty much a disaster in every other way. The Colgans were not trained professionally to do their jobs and have NO respect for aviation professionalism. If they did they would treat pilots with a little more respect, would attend safety symposiums like the "best pracitices" one put on by bombardier for Dash 8's, and would heed the critical information put out in SAFO's.

It was clearly demonstrated in the public hearing that the current management has the one two punch of Arrogance and Ignorance. it shows up over and over again in their patronizing reward programs, demeaning memos and condescending tone when talking to crews. It shows up in an even more important way when they make bad policies that cleary show that they did not include a single line pilot in formulating them.

We need professionals that at the very least respect the industry and don't think that they know everything and are somehow superior because their last name is Colgan.

...What he said! Time to clean house.

 

[Thurman Merman]

Spot on. But next time in kanji

Moshi, moshi,

Ahhh, dumb gaijen no do kanji, but mmm, maybe jinglish, maybe.

Reb-san

 

[suupah]

Moshi, moshi,

Ahhh, dumb gaijen no do kanji, but mmm, maybe jinglish, maybe.

Reb-san

BTW how do you say "jiffy" in japanese?

 

[Carl_Spackler]

someone has to explain the meaning of 5X5

 

[Thurman Merman]

BTW how do you say "jiffy" in japanese?

I've asked and they stare at me like I have an arm growing out of my head.