SKYW profits plunge, still no fourlough?

[flyboyzz1]

VERY true... but one of their top goals is to KEEP a union far away from their pilot group... if they furloughed top down I'd bet my nuts that a union would be on property....

 

[pipers]

in two minutes

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Nice try,
Every friend Brad has is on the 1st page of the seniority list, the further down the list you are the less you know Brad. Junior guys will most likely be the meat on the hook. Sorry!
PBR

 

[Nevets]

VERY true... but one of their top goals is to KEEP a union far away from their pilot group... if they furloughed top down I'd bet my nuts that a union would be on property....

So in other words, they can but as of right now the cost-benefit analysis says they probably wont?

 

[flyboyzz1]

If you are saying the cost-benefit is remaining union free...then yes it probably wont happen. I'd go further to say it will NEVER happen that way. People may not like mngmt at SKW but that aside...they aren't stupid people.

 

[Nevets]

If you are saying the cost-benefit is remaining union free...then yes it probably wont happen. I'd go further to say it will NEVER happen that way. People may not like mngmt at SKW but that aside...they aren't stupid people.

Who aren't stupid? Management or the people? Certainly the management are not stupid.

Yeah, I'm talking about the cost-benefit of being able to do whatever a company wants with their at-will employees versus the risk of them unionizing. I would not go as far as saying never. I'm sure there is a specific cost that would tilt the scales towards risking unionization. Maybe its $10 million or $100 million? Who knows but is always a specific cost in the cost-benefit analysis to anything.

 

[check6]

They can do anything they want----No union.-

-DUH...

That's what I figured. I just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth. Duh!

 

[imisscorplife]

Dont worry there will be a PHX SKYW base in the next several months for USAir............

 

[CEO silly sap]

Skywest isn't furloughing because they are NON union. ASA is furloughing because they are union.

I think you might want to reformulate your question.

How many pilots have been fired from Skywest in the last year vs ASA. I would argure that skywest fires more than asa furloughs.... Rest assured the answer will be....fired, no but the resignations were in the triple digits... how is your non union now?

 

[Goose Egg]

I think you might want to reformulate your question.

How many pilots have been fired from Skywest in the last year vs ASA. I would argure that skywest fires more than asa furloughs.... Rest assured the answer will be....fired, no but the resignations were in the triple digits... how is your non union now?

Absent, which suits me just fine.

 

[Nevets]

Absent, which suits me just fine.

Until you become the next guy to have to sue Skywest to get your job back or the next TW, or the next, MM, etc.

 

[Bako Cap]

Skywest isn't furloughing because they are NON union. ASA is furloughing because they are union.

Not likely.
Here is my two cents...

ASA has one hub and aircraft that only require differences training which makes furlough a cheap alternative. SkyWest has 15 bases, 2 aircraft types, and a furlough would cost more than the benefit (both monetary and morale). Most of the lower 200 are on the EMB and if furloughed would have a cascade effect on most of the seniority list. If SkyWest only had one or two bases, with a common type, I would bet that SkyWest would have already furloughed. Bean counters run this airline. Cheap bean counters.

 

[JumpersAway]

Not likely.
Here is my two cents...

ASA has one hub and aircraft that only require differences training which makes furlough a cheap alternative. SkyWest has 15 bases, 2 aircraft types, and a furlough would cost more than the benefit (both monetary and morale). Most of the lower 200 are on the EMB and if furloughed would have a cascade effect on most of the seniority list. If SkyWest only had one or two bases, with a common type, I would bet that SkyWest would have already furloughed. Bean counters run this airline. Cheap bean counters.

Does Skywest reimburse moving expenses if such a furlough were to occour, displacing pilots from one domacile to another?

 

[JumpersAway]

You're so funny Trojan. I know Brad didn't say such things. I've been at Skywest along time and I know Brad personally. I'm not buddies with him but I do know him and even went flying with him from St. George to Phoenix and back in a C206 once. I just saw Brad barely 2 weeks ago in St. George. Brad has his house in St. George, his family still lives here and he spends alot of his time in St. George and still manages to run ASA.

If ASA fails Skywest fails. Are you kidding? How did Skywest manage all these years on it's own before it bought ASA? I don't think Skywest is worried about United or Delta. If you did speak to Brad did he tell you about the contingency plans Skywest has if United went under? It's not a secret. Ask him next time. No guarantee it will work but it's a viable one.

Employees are not leaving Skywest for ASA because they are worried about Skywest going under. Brad has been bringing them there to help out cause your own management sucks. Brad told me afew of months ago that in time he may have to fire anyone in a managerial position and change the mindset there.

Also do you know how Skywest, ASA and the holding company Skywest, Inc is set up? The holding company is in St. George. Skywest, Inc only has 2 employees, Jerry Atkin and the CFO(can't remember his name). Almost all administrated work for the holding company is done by Skywest employees. ASA submits its records to Skywest and Skywest personel does the auditing for Skywest, Inc. I guess Jerry doesn't trust ASA to do it's own. ASA pays 60% of Jerry's and the CFO salary, Skywest pays 40% and ASA pays Skywest a fee to do it's records. I would bet that any Skywest personel that is in Atlanta doing work for ASA is still a Skywest employee. I can assure you that Skywest employees at HQ don't want to be employed by ASA. They are extremely loyal people.

I know you're full of sh1t that you said you talked to Brad but if you did then you could again, so next time why don't you ask him why he's still on the Skywest senority list.

What else do you want to know?

Erlanger, I'll concur with what USC said regarding Brad and his approachability. He puts himself out there for the ASA employees to question, openly.

In regard to the fabled Skywest plan "B" if United tanks, it's being kept under lock and key. When I asked Brad personally about this contingency, he said that there is a plan in place. My guess is the hostile take over of flying at another airline through a buy in/buy out. Frankly, Skywest has the money it needs to do just about anything it wants. If you think Skywest Inc would eliminate ASA and shuffle Skywest Airlines over to do 100% of the Delta Connection flying out of Atlanta, you're still in for a rude awakening. You'd still have too many pilots and it would still result in a furlough. Besides, that would be a lot of money to spend in order to whittle your company down to less than half it's original size.

Atlantic Southeast Airlines barely made a profit this quarter, not just due to our maintenance issue, but due to our restructuring in Atlanta. We're spending boatloads of cash in order to save money for later and to come out leaner in the long term. Our new "A-tech" building is an example of this. Acars, parking, lounges, etc are further examples of things that are going to trim cost, but will take about 1-2 years to see a return on investment. Hang in there and watch.

Yes, our management does suck- that has been our complaint for the last 30 years. Although, at least George and John were reasonably good at what they did- they were just not employee friendly. The others weren't employee friendly, and were just incompetant. It is not our pilots that were crapping up the operation- at least not since we now have a contract. We're busting tail to pull our weight to ensure ASA gets the job done.

 

[Andy Neill]

Does Skywest reimburse moving expenses if such a furlough were to occour, displacing pilots from one domacile to another?

Unless things have changed in the last couple of years, SkyWest will reimburse the last person to be displaced. For instance, if you were being involuntarily and said "Can I go to Y domicile?", they might say sure, send you there without moving expenses and displace the junior guy at that domicile. If that person elects another available domicile causing displacement, the same story happens there and so on until the most junior is displaced. That person is reimbursed for a cost per mile IF they stay at the domicile for x months.

If the first one to be displaced says "I'll go where you want me to go." then that person would receive the moving money IF they stayed put for x months.