Hey scooter your post (number 26) was referring to RLA strikes so tell me about the one ALPA ran since the 80's that was successful.
NWA '98 and CMR '01 come to mind.
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Hey scooter your post (number 26) was referring to RLA strikes so tell me about the one ALPA ran since the 80's that was successful.
Not saying that at all...just emphasizing the point that ALPA takes what management is willing to give them...just like ANY Union. What it boils down to is that there is nothing special or magical about the ALPA Logo.So what you're saying is that you think a union should be able to get you massive pay raises even when a carrier is losing massive amounts of money and slipping towards liquidation? Get real
While UPS and NetJets have shown that it can be done without ALPA. Why is ALPA so special again?ALPA produces results when it's possible to produce results. Had FedEx not been ALPA, then they wouldn't have gotten as good a contract in '06. Companies don't just hand over money to employees when they turn a profit, you have to fight for it.
The FDX pilots know better than you. They decertified ALPA in the early '90s because they thought they could do better themselves, and they created their own union called the FPA. After a few years of FPA failure, they realized that they had made a big mistake and voted in record numbers to bring back ALPA. They've had some of ALPA's highest approval ratings ever since.
And how do the PAC contributions size up against corporate contributions? I'm guessing they're not as much.And despite your pessimism, ALPA produces results on Cap Hill. ALPA actually has the biggest PAC in the airline industry. ALPA contributes more money to politicians from ALPA-PAC than the ATA does.
Just want to make sure ALPA gets all the credit they deserve.CMR - What don't you understand about bankruptcy?
Yes...with the economy in the toilet and Obama racing around the globe to appease tin pot dictators...ALPA will be in line for a while.PCL - You vote for Bush, you suffer the consequences of an anti-labor NMB. Things are about to change.
I forgot, JO and his attorney only know how to play fair:laugh:MAG - ...Now they're only a year away from negotiations again under the Obama NMB when their company will likely be doing better. Smart strategy. I'm not surprised that you're not bright enough to understand that, though.
Not saying that at all...just emphasizing the point that ALPA takes what management is willing to give them...just like ANY Union. What it boils down to is that there is nothing special or magical about the ALPA Logo.
While UPS and NetJets have shown that it can be done without ALPA. Why is ALPA so special again?
And how do the PAC contributions size up against corporate contributions? I'm guessing they're not as much.
What's so special again about ALPA?
And what ALPA negotiates is nothing over or above what any other Union would negotiate.No, ALPA gets what they negotiate. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. Management is not benevolent. You have to fight for every scrap.
Why would they match up? Are they the same management team and pilot group? How many Management Pilots fly for FedEx? It's a comparison using false reasoning that You and Rez love to get hung up on. If you're going to use that...why not ask the reason for the contract disparities for ALPA represented carriers flying similar equipment? KittyHawk and FedEx???As for UPS, their contract doesn't match up to the FDX agreement that was negotiated by ALPA. I'd rather have ALPA representing me than the IPA if I needed help.
...because you know it's true. And Rez will be the first to tell you that Money talks in D.C.I'm guessing you'd better do some better research next time.
Maybe effectiveness at brainwashing...I can see why you're a poster child for the ALPA Youth.Effectiveness.
And what ALPA negotiates is nothing over or above what any other Union would negotiate.
Why would they match up? Are they the same management team and pilot group? How many Management Pilots fly for FedEx? It's a comparison using false reasoning that You and Rez love to get hung up on. If you're going to use that...why not ask the reason for the contract disparities for ALPA represented carriers flying similar equipment? KittyHawk and FedEx???
...because you know it's true. And Rez will be the first to tell you that Money talks in D.C.
Maybe effectiveness at brainwashing...I can see why you're a poster child for the ALPA Youth.
Alas, I've taken up too much of your time. Time for you to get back to pointing the finger at the UAL pilots for the failures of ALPA. Maybe Rez will jump in and let them know they are ruining his contract.
Better still, why not push for decertification of ALPA?Then don't apply to an ALPA carrier and don't be a member..... problem solved?