Thanks Again ALPA

[DA-20]

ALPA is an association not a union.... Might as well have voted in AOPA.
Gemini Guys got a free subscription to AIR INC, that silly magazine and told to pay their dues or they would be in bad standing! F#@$ing Joke

 

[AC560]

The answer is so obvious I can't believe anyone hasn't come up with it.

The unions should buy the airline and then run it, surely that would create the best management team UA has ever seen.....

 

[Flopgut]

If John Prater were among one of these latest UAL furloughs, he would chain himself to the employee bus, have his wife and kids in front of cameras weeping, and be the biggest spectacle you could possibly imagine. As it is, he could care less.

 

[Colonel Savage]

RLA strike history:
http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

Then, 15 ALPA strikes at a "Legacies" in 31 years of a Regulated Industry with improving contracts for pilots.

Now, 4 ALPA strikes at "Legacies" in 31 years of of a Deregulated Industry with ONE in the past 12 years and NONE since 9/11, with contracts gutted.

Both periods under the RLA.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." Alexander Hamilton, 1798

 

[airlinepilot]

How far back (DOH) have they gone?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Then, 15 ALPA strikes at a "Legacies" in 31 years of a Regulated Industry with improving contracts for pilots.

Now, 4 ALPA strikes at "Legacies" in 31 years of of a Deregulated Industry with ONE in the past 12 years and NONE since 9/11, with contracts gutted.

Both periods under the RLA.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." Alexander Hamilton, 1798

Isn't de-regulation a b!tch!

Love that free market!!! There is nothing free about it...

 

[PCL_128]

Which ones are you referring to. ALPA has had their a$$ kicked consistently since the 80's.

Yeah, those record-shattering contracts at NWA, AAA, UAL, and DAL in the late-'90s and early-'00s were a real ass-kicking.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Isn't de-regulation a b!tch!

Love that free market!!! There is nothing free about it...

right after Teddy Kennedy gladly took the money and votes of airline pilots, he turned around and pulled the carpet right out from under their feet.

People wouldn't trust pilots when it comes to financial matters...why would they trust them on political matters?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Yeah, those record-shattering contracts at NWA, AAA, UAL, and DAL in the late-'90s and early-'00s were a real ass-kicking.

Yes...please tell us how those very contracts are doing today.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes...please tell us how those very contracts are doing today.

You think any union can protect you when liquidation in bankruptcy is eminent? Keep dreaming. As Rez always tells you, your expectations are never realistic. Learn to work within the system and you can advance this profession back to what it used to be. Your crazy ideas about illegal work stoppages will lead nowhere.

 

[Mr.B]

You and your fellow pilots voted for those scope concessions, not John Prater, not the Executive Council, and not the Executive Board. You made your own bed. Now lie in it.



Complaining about your union and you're so ignorant that you don't even know what you pay in dues? It's 1.95%, genius. Get informed.

Typo...my bad. Now kiss my ass. I don't don't need it from some internet coward.

 

[sgu]

Uggggly!

Whew, I am glad we went IBT....good luck all....

 

[CopilotDoug]

You think any union can protect you when liquidation in bankruptcy is eminent? Keep dreaming.

Wrong. I am merely pointing out the fantasy land your typical ALPA cheerleader lives in. Your arrogant posts seems to imply that ALPA is the one calling the shots. When ALPA speaks...Management snaps to attention. The reality of the matter? ALPA will get what Management gives them. Nothing more...often less.

As Rez always tells you, your expectations are never realistic. Learn to work within the system...

This is what boggles my mind. The System? You mean the system HEAVILY slanted in Management's favor? You're going to abide by the rules and expect change?

...and you can advance this profession back to what it used to be.

Did someone forget to tell that to the Mesa pilots?

Your crazy ideas about illegal work stoppages will lead nowhere.

I know pilots would never carry these actions out. When there is a line of applicants at Mesa, and you still have people paying for their jobs at GIA...you know the future of the industry is screwed. But hey, Johnny P. has his retirement pension all set up and he didn't have to produce one measurable result...Way to go ALPA!

 

[PCL_128]

The reality of the matter? ALPA will get what Management gives them. Nothing more...often less.

Yes, because I'm sure Fred Smith would have been happy to pay his pilots $300k a year if they didn't have a union fighting for it. :sarcasm:

This is what boggles my mind. The System? You mean the system HEAVILY slanted in Management's favor? You're going to abide by the rules and expect change?

If you don't like the rules, then you work within the system to change the rules. The problem we have is decades of anti-labor case law. The way to fix bad case law? Work with Congress and the President to pass new statutes that set the law back to the way it was originally intended, rather than the bastardized Republican anti-labor version it has become.

But hey, Johnny P. has his retirement pension all set up and he didn't have to produce one measurable result...Way to go ALPA!

Seems to me that he's produced pretty good results overall. Several non-union pilot groups have joined ALPA during his tenure, several non-ALPA groups have merged into ALPA, Alaska has a good TA, Hawaiian will soon have a good TA, and AirTran will follow soon after. There were certainly missteps along the way, but his legacy is shaping up to be pretty decent after all. He's earned his pension.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Then, 15 ALPA strikes at a "Legacies" in 31 years of a Regulated Industry with improving contracts for pilots.

Now, 4 ALPA strikes at "Legacies" in 31 years of of a Deregulated Industry with ONE in the past 12 years and NONE since 9/11, with contracts gutted.

Both periods under the RLA.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." Alexander Hamilton, 1798

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Savage,

So, what union do you belong to and how is that union working to better the profession for all of us? Thanks,

BD