FlexJet - Time for a Union

[Inigo Montoya]

We should have done it a year ago but oh well. I bet those who got let go wished we had one. They got some wishy washy recall rights and the rest of us get no merit raises and a bunch are getting downgraded, and many are forced to work less than they want/need to. Whats next? And dont forget that we are below NJ and CS in pay and QOL issues. NJ has the best pay and benefits, yet they dont seem to be canning people. A union may not prevent layoffs, but it would have forced them to look elsewhere to cut costs instead of taking the easy way out and getting rid of almost 20% of their pilots.

Its time to do this. Everyone is talking about it, much more openly than they were a year ago even. My personal opinion is that an inhouse is the way to go, as this will satisfy all the teamster haters we have.

 

[kab1027]

I agree!

 

[pcab]

Count Me In!

 

[bunman45]

I agree.

 

[johnnyride24]

Then stop the crying and you folks at Flex need to do something about it!!!
And this time finish the job....

 

[FastJP4]

Couldn't agree more. Problem is - the senior half (most of them) only care about #1 - and feel the plight of those below them is not their problem. It's an incredibly "ME" oriented pilot group with zero cohesion.

 

[Just Peachy]

they have ALWAYS needed a union

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are too self centered to want a union??...awwww

 

[shanes123]

Couldn't agree more. Problem is - the senior half (most of them) only care about #1 - and feel the plight of those below them is not their problem. It's an incredibly "ME" oriented pilot group with zero cohesion.

You just described the top 100 at Flops..maybe 150

 

[Dooker]

It's an incredibly corrupt pilot group, too.

I've never worked anywhere with so many brazen bald-faced ass-kissers as Flex.

"Oh, I was just talking to the chief pilot the other day, while I happened to be dropping off my expense reports ... "

Hunh? Why, pray tell, would you need to drop off your damn expense reports? Isn't the mail good enough for ya?

This place needs a good enema.

 

[OHGOON]

Good luck with that inhouse union thing. Heard Flops is spending about 60K a month on their negotiations and it's been going on for more than 2 years. Do the math, how are you going to raise that kind of money from 400+/- pilots? That's just too few bodies to sustain a successful drive. How are you going to enforce dues with no contract in place? All the company has to do is wait you out, it will never happen!

Teamster Haters or not, it's your only choice if you are serious about a union. Ok there is ALPA too, but seriously...an inhouse thing, you must be smokin something funny; got the munchies yet? :laugh:

 

[shanes123]

It's an incredibly corrupt pilot group, too.

I've never worked anywhere with so many brazen bald-faced ass-kissers as Flex.

"Oh, I was just talking to the chief pilot the other day, while I happened to be dropping off my expense reports ... "

Hunh? Why, pray tell, would you need to drop off your damn expense reports? Isn't the mail good enough for ya?

This place needs a good enema.

go to work at FLOPS they will give you a run for your money on *ss kisser thats what that company is all about.

 

[japhy]

I never thought that Flex needed a union, but Fred has changed my mind. Count me in.

 

[johnsonrod]

Seriously dudes. You NEED a union to balance Fred Greed's EVIL nature... It seemed to work for Netjets... Get it????????????

 

[Dooker]

The problem isn't Fred Reid or even Dave Gross; the problem's in Montreal. Freddy and Davey are just the bag men. Which is why all of these "all hands" meetings are so futile and stupid and pointless. A bunch of do-gooders showing up and asking a bunch of questions that Freddy can't even begin to answer because he doesn't have the authority.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I'd consider it. I don't know if our own in house is better or Teamsters. Each probably has good and bad points. And then of course someone needs to do all the leg work for a union drive. Who wants that job?

 

[kab1027]

It's an incredibly corrupt pilot group, too.

I've never worked anywhere with so many brazen bald-faced ass-kissers as Flex.

"Oh, I was just talking to the chief pilot the other day, while I happened to be dropping off my expense reports ... "

Hunh? Why, pray tell, would you need to drop off your damn expense reports? Isn't the mail good enough for ya?

This place needs a good enema.

Dooker,
If I ever find out who you are....I'd like to buy you a beer!

 

[ArtVandalay]

This will never happen due to old wrinkled bodies at the top.
Remember the scene that shocked everyone when the all mighty Darth Vader actually took a knee in front of the emperor? That is the top 100 at flexjet.

 

[2dotslow]

Ok, I give.....

Art, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[ArtVandalay]

My point is that the top 100 SHOULD be the "leaders" of our group but instead, they cower and suck up. Not ALL, but most.

 

[Flyingdog1]

This will never happen due to old wrinkled bodies at the top.
Remember the scene that shocked everyone when the all mighty Darth Vader actually took a knee in front of the emperor? That is the top 100 at flexjet.

We are not wrinkled bodies; most of us are "disgusting fat bodies" or bald. And, all but about 5 of us are optimistic about a union. Ever been in your your 50's and try to look for a job; oh, I forgot you're a JAFFO, so you don't. We like job protection, and we can afford to pay the dues for it. So, point your finger in a different direction.

 

[ArtVandalay]

All I can say to you is actions speak louder than words.

 

[Flyingdog1]

yes they do.

 

[FalconPilot69]

Hey Art, you would be surprised by the amounts of the top 100 who support a union. The problem is 2 fold. You don't have the unity to support a union nor do you actually have the will to have one. Yes, the leadership needs to come from the top, but some of the leaders can't lead themselves out of a wet paper bag. And dog, I represent that JAFFO comment : )

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Well this is a first, not one anti-union post from anyone at flex. maybe this is the right time? so then the next question is, now what?

 

[fob727]

Well this is a first, not one anti-union post from anyone at flex. maybe this is the right time? so then the next question is, now what?

call the teamsters.

 

[o2bflyn]

call the teamsters.

try Norma Rae

 

[FalconPilot69]

To have a successful union drive, you need to have strong leadership. Based on the last failed attempt, the Flexjet pilot group does not have that. The best thing the organziers can do is talk to NJA guys and find out how they did it. Remember, the IBT was either their 2nd or 3rd union, it was not thier first. You are still going to have to swing some of the non union guys and the only way to do that is to have good sound points as to why we need one as opposed to why we don't. You will never win 100% approval, but if you have more than 75%, you now have a unified pilot group.

Leadership is everything. Case in point, managment had never lied to us until the new management change took place. They may have never answered a question or fixed things that we stated were broke, but they never flat out lied. The furloughs are not driving these latest talks, it is the deception from management that has spurred this. We are all intelligent to enough to know that the economy has driven our layoffs. However, a bad economy and loss of business does not constitute bold faced lies from the crystal palace.

Well this is a first, not one anti-union post from anyone at flex. maybe this is the right time? so then the next question is, now what?

 

[Rouge Warrior]

Never happen at flex the fractured fractional

 

[bunman45]

Let's do it!!

 

[japhy]

Never happen at flex the fractured fractional

You are right that it hasn't happened in the past, but things are different this time. Never is a long time.