PSA recalling furloughs

[BrownStreak]

Just heard the news. 10 recalls April 20th, and more to follow. Possibly everyone back on property by the end of the year. Believe that when I see it, but at least it's good news for the first 10.

 

[paulsalem]

TK told us last week that we were still overstaffed in both seats.

Go figure.

 

[dmac530]

source?? Just checked my e-mail and not a thing about it. Good news if it's true

 

[paulsalem]

source?? Just checked my e-mail and not a thing about it. Good news if it's true

The union message board, posted by a furlougee.

 

[captfred]

I sure hope its true. Not much good news in this industry lately.

 

[Jar Jar]

dash furloughs 20, jet recalls 10.

 

[SLFLYHI]

Just heard the news. 10 recalls April 20th, and more to follow. Possibly everyone back on property by the end of the year. Believe that when I see it, but at least it's good news for the first 10.

BrownStreak - please change your avatar....it is very offensive to those of us with special needs children. Thank you.

T2S

I hope you guys do recall everyone, soon!

 

[meyers9163]

dash furloughs 20, jet recalls 10.

I think that's unfair. PSA could have kept their pilots like PDT and could have stayed as FAT but they didnt. These are not for the PDT loss. Just my 2 cents though.

 

[Metro752]

dash furloughs 20, jet recalls 10.

You're a classy guy.

 

[Sig]

dash furloughs 20, jet recalls 10.

Hey, this situation stinks to high heaven.

Turn the tables: If PSA lost all of their 700s, and we were still holding onto our planes- who would get the flying when the slack went "CLANG"?

Better yet, and back to the actual situation: Who would you RATHER take up our slack? My answer is the same group of pilots that went into BK with us- not some buy-in without a real vested interest in the health of USAirways.

I'd rather a trade of weal-and-woe occur between the wholly-owneds, vice a circling opportunist.

 

[Jar Jar]

Im with you on that Sig, the flying that PDT loses over the next few months I would not want to see anybody aside from PSA take up.

I also think anyone who says that an increase in PSA flying has nothing to do with a reduction in the PDT fleet is smoking some pretty strong stuff.

In fact, I hope PSA gets everyone back on the job by years end, because I'll tell you right now that I wont vote for any substandard bull** to 'keep the remaining 7 leases'. F* that.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

In fact, I hope PSA gets everyone back on the job by years end, because I'll tell you right now that I wont vote for any substandard bull** to 'keep the remaining 7 leases'. F* that.

Yup. Max pay to the last day!

 

[WSurf]

Look, its all a matter of bad timing. If PSA's leases had been up don't you think Parker would have parked them?

Our leases are up, no need to renew old a$$ planes that make money. Enter sarcasim

Its contract time, focus on that.


I for one am glad that PSA folks coming, I just hope both pilot groups will support each other this time rather then stumbling around trying to F' each other like with the RJ situation some years ago.

If PSA/PDT can keep a good open line of communication it might come to benefit both parties during contract neg.

 

[ex j-41]

dash furloughs 20, jet recalls 10.

Actually we have 74 on furlough and we are short staffed. I haven't not worked a reserve day in almost 3 months. If we didn't have people on furlough and were hiring and you furloughing then i could understand your sarcasm. But we are still 64 on the street. The reserve pilots need a break. We are being abused daily.

 

[meyers9163]

If PSA/PDT can keep a good open line of communication it might come to benefit both parties during contract neg.

I think both MECs have this as a main emphasis with negotiations. I wish we both could join our company foums and discuss topics as W/Os. I wish PDT nothing but the best of luck. Hell remember how Parker wanted us to do 50% of the express flying.... Maybe one day that will happen.

 

[WSurf]

I think both MECs have this as a main emphasis with negotiations. I wish we both could join our company foums and discuss topics as W/Os.

I think that would be a great idea! Maybe their could be someway of getting PSA/PDT folks on a same website.

Piedmont has "The Lav Wall", maybe we could get something together to keep up with whats going on at both companies.

 

[kf4amu]

Hell remember how Parker wanted us to do 50% of the express flying.... Maybe one day that will happen.

It's hard to compete with another company when their F/O's are willing to fly 86 seat jets for 37 bucks an hour max pay. Especially when their company keeps giving you millions of dollars.

 

[lindsaya99]

Hell remember how Parker wanted us to do 50% of the express flying.... Maybe one day that will happen.

When did he say that?

BTW. I remember in the December Crew News in Charlotte when he said there were no plans to change Piedmont's fleet. Oh wait, I guess he was only talking about ADDITIONAL aircraft.

 

[MCOE175]

It's hard to compete with another company when their F/O's are willing to fly 86 seat jets for 37 bucks an hour max pay. Especially when their company keeps giving you millions of dollars.

There are reasons companies such as RP and AW that give millions to airways. One being that they have money that can be used. The money given to airways is going to make money for RP and AW because they are LOANS.
These companies have a vested interest in the success of US. They are not buying there flying. Yes maybe Airways MGT looks favorably towards them because of help.
But you show me who says or where is says that PDT and PSA are the only ones making money for airways. As many PSA pilots say.

 

[Flyin2low]

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[kf4amu]

There are reasons companies such as RP and AW that give millions to airways. One being that they have money that can be used. The money given to airways is going to make money for RP and AW because they are LOANS.
These companies have a vested interest in the success of US. They are not buying there flying. Yes maybe Airways MGT looks favorably towards them because of help.
But you show me who says or where is says that PDT and PSA are the only ones making money for airways. As many PSA pilots say.

Well that money the contract carriers are lending was given to them by USAir (and others) in the first place. They are just being lent profit that they gave the contractors. Look I'd do the same thing if I was a contract carrier, not disagreeing with you at all in regard to their business practices.

USAir would much rather keep the profit in house with the WO, but obviously it's still cheaper to farm the flying out to companies that pay their pilots .40 cents/seat/hour in the right seat.

 

[MCOE175]

Well that money the contract carriers are lending was given to them by USAir (and others) in the first place. They are just being lent profit that they gave the contractors. Look I'd do the same thing if I was a contract carrier, not disagreeing with you at all in regard to their business practices.

USAir would much rather keep the profit in house with the WO, but obviously it's still cheaper to farm the flying out to companies that pay their pilots .40 cents/seat/hour in the right seat.

Airways did not give any money to RP or AW. RP purchased gates, slots, training equipment and sims to help them survive during the BK.

 

[kf4amu]

Airways did not give any money to RP or AW. RP purchased gates, slots, training equipment and sims to help them survive during the BK.

I thought they just gave them 40ish million loan?

 

[BrownStreak]

There are reasons companies such as RP and AW that give millions to airways. One being that they have money that can be used. The money given to airways is going to make money for RP and AW because they are LOANS.
These companies have a vested interest in the success of US. They are not buying there flying. Yes maybe Airways MGT looks favorably towards them because of help.
But you show me who says or where is says that PDT and PSA are the only ones making money for airways. As many PSA pilots say.

Another humbling smack down from a superior crewmember on the jumbo shrimp. You missed the point again, oh great one. Besides, this is a thread about PSA furloughs not what a great company you think RP is. Go drink your Kool Aid somewhere else.

 

[deadstick]

But you show me who says or where is says that PDT and PSA are the only ones making money for airways. As many PSA pilots say.

Just more. You have shown your (lack of) intelligence in the Midex thread, and now you have graced us with your presence here. Thanks.

As far as my "just more" comment, it is a fact because of that pesky profit margin that contract carriers factor in. After all nobody gets into business to lose money, right? PSA and PDT are carried as straight expenses (at cost) on the LCC books and there are no contract minimum on the amount of flying. That is how they are able to easily furlough PSA and PDT pilots. All of the ticket sales for an Express(PSA/PDT)-connect-to-Airways flight goes into the "+" column in the ledger and the expenses ("-" column) for operating it is a smaller number. The difference ("profit") is greater.

2nd grade math lesson over.

 

[BeCareful!]

USAir would much rather keep the profit in house with the WO, but obviously it's still cheaper to farm the flying out to companies that pay their pilots .40 cents/seat/hour in the right seat.

Wait.....OK.....hold on............what??? On one hand you say that we should keep the "profit" in house. Then you say that the "feed" to the mainline is "cheaper" if farmed out.

It's one way, or it's the other, or else someone is LYING. Either the RJ/Dash flying is a profitable operation, or the whole mess costs money and Mesa and Republic are, as you said, "cheaper."

I'll go with option three, management lies about the profitability of its operations. Because they control the information, they control labor's expectations. And therein lies the crux of our collective failures to achieve the seemingly simple task of keeping up with inflation over the last 30 years.

 

[kf4amu]

Wait.....OK.....hold on............what??? On one hand you say that we should keep the "profit" in house. Then you say that the "feed" to the mainline is "cheaper" if farmed out.

Yea. There's more profit if they farm it out. Unfortunately some pilots at RAH know that when they start getting paid what they should, they will no longer be as cheap, and will most likely lose flying and no longer be the place for the "quick upgrade!".

 

[BoilerUP]

Only on Flightinfo could a thread about PSA recalls devolve into another anti-RAH clusterfark...

 

[BeCareful!]

Yea. There's more profit if they farm it out. Unfortunately some pilots at RAH know that when they start getting paid what they should, they will no longer be as cheap, and will most likely lose flying and no longer be the place for the "quick upgrade!".

Ok, I see now that you must have a degree in rocket science with a minor in accounting and you're probably MENSA too. You obviously have it all figured out. Congrats!

 

[kf4amu]

Ok, I see now that you must have a degree in rocket science with a minor in accounting and you're probably MENSA too. You obviously have it all figured out. Congrats!

Something wrong with what I said?