Takeoff Mins/Pinnacle Ops Specs

[DoinTime]

Anyway, as I said, that is what I think. I will always go by the Jepps.

What would you do if your company used LIDOs instead of Jepps?

I've got the LIDO AOI page 1-20 for SBN in front of me now and the only visibility restriction for rwy 27 and 18/36 is 1/4 mile tower visibility. There is no use of RVR data for this runway. The original post does not indicate what reported tower vis was but if they were reporting 1/4 mile it was a legal takeoff.

I'm not saying LIDO is right but thats what we have available to us and thats what we use. Assuming the tower visibility was there these PCL crews did exactly what they were trained and expected to do.

 

[SSDD]

I don't have an SBN chart with me right now, bu tif the tower reported the 27L rvr as 1000' as the original post said, then it is controlling. Regardless of what LIDO says.

 

[DoinTime]

I don't have an SBN chart with me right now, but if the tower reported the 27L rvr as 1000' as the original post said, then it is controlling. Regardless of what LIDO says.

It is not controlling if your charts do not have a reference to RVR. Tower visibility then becomes controlling.

 

[SSDD]

If its installed at the runway, and it is operational, then it is controlling. You can't ignore it just because you have substandard charts with incomplete information. If the tower gives you an RVR, then it is controlling for that runway.

 

[veneratio]

I don't know about Pinnacle, but I know at some other regionals you can reduce according to what the -9 states. For example: The standard takeoff minimums are 1SM (5000 RVR). If, on the back of the -9, standard (or lower) mins are depicted, you can reduce to either 1/4 mile (1600 RVR), 1000/1000 RVR (TDZ and RO), or 600/600/600 RVR (one RVR may be inoperative). This all depends on the type of lights that particular runway has. It all depends on your OPS SPECS.

 

[DoinTime]

You can't ignore it just because you have substandard charts with incomplete information.

Yes we can. As long as our charts are approved by the FAA we can use them for everything contained therein legally. That is FACT.

Are you suggesting that we are bound by information contained in charts that we are not approved to use? Surely, you must be smarter than that. We use the charts we are provided and we have no way of knowing what everyone else's charts say. If you want to point a finger at someone for the charts we use point it at the company or the FAA for approving them. The crew is not to blame.

 

[SSDD]

That's pretty scary. To ignore information that is readily available. I'll say it again, if the tower issued an RVR report for that runway, then you can't ignore it.

BTW, what do you Ops Specs say about taking off when the reported RVR is 1000 ft?

 

[RJLoser]

Sec. 121.651 - Takeoff and landing weather minimums: IFR: All certificate holders.
Link to an amendment published at 69 FR 1641, Jan. 9, 2004.
(a) Notwithstanding any clearance from ATC, no pilot may begin a takeoff in an airplane under IFR when the weather conditions reported by the U.S. National Weather Service, a source approved by that Service, or a source approved by the Administrator, are less than those specified in --

(1) The certificate holder's operations specifications; or
(2) Parts 91 and 97 of this chapter, if the certificate holder's operations specifications do not specify takeoff minimums for the airport.

Jepps and LIDOs are not controlling

 

[SSDD]

Or another way, what do your Ops Specs say about the relevance of RVR reports when conducting lower than standard takeoffs?

 

[RJLoser]

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[jehtplane]

Jepps are NOT controlling, if you have C056 AND C078, and the airfield is so equipped...

Jepps are controlling. Your op specs give you authorization to use lower than standard takeoff minimums, but you still CANNOT go lower than published. Kinda scary that some of you guys think you can....

 

[jetracer5]

Sec. 121.651 - Takeoff and landing weather minimums: IFR: All certificate holders.
Link to an amendment published at 69 FR 1641, Jan. 9, 2004.
(a) Notwithstanding any clearance from ATC, no pilot may begin a takeoff in an airplane under IFR when the weather conditions reported by the U.S. National Weather Service, a source approved by that Service, or a source approved by the Administrator, are less than those specified in --

(1) The certificate holder's operations specifications; or
(2) Parts 91 and 97 of this chapter, if the certificate holder's operations specifications do not specify takeoff minimums for the airport.

Jepps and LIDOs are not controlling

Yea if i was FLYING A CESSNA! We dont operate Part 91 but aparently PNCL does

 

[RJLoser]

Yea if i was FLYING A CESSNA! We dont operate Part 91 but aparently PNCL does

That is a 121 reg. Look a little closer.

 

[Crizz]

You suppose they had a takeoff alternate?

 

[propsarebest]

umm, no they are not...
your ops specs are, weather they say you use published takeoff mins or you can use less than standard takeoff mins...


See C056.

Jepps are controlling. Your op specs give you authorization to use lower than standard takeoff minimums, but you still CANNOT go lower than published. Kinda scary that some of you guys think you can....